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Old 06-02-2014, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Emirates is making threats if they don't build the A380NEO that could be great news for Boeing.
Yeah and if we don't allow them unlimited access to our markets they are going to cancel their Boeing orders.

I will say one thing after having been raised and working with them for years; British Expats running multinational businesses are imperialistic sociopaths with the emotional balance of the typical three year old child. Working for a Monarchy just kinda suits them.

Waiting for "the sun never sets on the Emirates Empire!"
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Speaking of Airbus....is this a NEW order or part of an existing order previously announced?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...100000661.html
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That is new. We only had 30 on order before now but this brings it up to 45.

Stand by for A350 order.
Well, making it a firm order for 45 puts the final nail in the coffin for making the 321 pay 75/76 rates!

So on Jan 1, 2016, we should have a new contract (if RA claims to value us as much as he says), so it'll pay how much for CA/FO?
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:12 AM
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Just got an email saying all new Endeavor pilots get to flow up without interviewing again. If I was at Endeavor and failed the SSP interview, I'd be ****ed.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:14 AM
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Later this morning Endeavor and Delta will jointly announce the Endeavor to Delta Pilot Hiring
and Commitment Program (EtD Commitment) that was structured jointly by both airlines. The
EtD Commitment is designed to attract the most competitive pilots to Endeavor by identifying a
clear career path to Delta with a level of commitment for a job at a major carrier that no other
regional carrier is offering. With competition for qualified pilots among regional carriers as tight
as ever, the EtD Commitment is expected to bolster Endeavor’s ability to attract career-minded
pilots while positioning Endeavor for growth –and that’s good for all Endeavor people.
Complete details of the EtD Commitment can be found at Endeavor Air but here are
some of the highlights, as well as important enhancements to the SSP program:
o Starting June 15, the EtD Commitment will use Delta’s rigorous two-day interview protocol to
select all new-hire Endeavor pilots based on the same high standards used by Delta,
allowing for differences in experience. Delta representatives also will be involved in this
selection process. Applicant screening under the new EtD Commitment will begin
immediately.

o Starting June 15, all pilots who receive a conditional job offer at Endeavor will be offered a
commitment to be hired by Delta once all eligibility requirements are satisfied. These pilots
will not be required to re-interview with Delta or otherwise participate in the normal Delta
pilot selection process.

o Current Endeavor pilots eligible for Delta’s Streamlined Selection Process (SSP) will be
offered an opportunity to interview with Delta before any pilot in the EtD Commitment
program is “called up.” Should a current Endeavor pilot be unsuccessful in applying with
Delta, s/he will continue flying with Endeavor, whereas new-hire applicants who are not
selected under Delta’s protocol via the EtD Commitment will not be offered employment at
Endeavor.

o Delta and Endeavor have agreed to provide current Endeavor pilots hired after the Bridge
Agreement and prior to the EtD Commitment implementation with the same seniority-order
SSP interview opportunity as other Endeavor pilots. These pilots will now have a similar
opportunity to compete for a Delta job as SSP pilots.

o Delta and Endeavor also have agreed to bolster career stability and progression for current
Endeavor pilots by increasing the rate of hiring under the SSP to 35 percent of all available
new hire pilot positions in a calendar year, or 300 pilots in a calendar year, whichever is
less. So in a year when Delta hires 600 new-hire pilots (excluding Compass flow ups), 210,
or 35 percent, will come from SSP-eligible Endeavor pilots. As a result, going forward the
SSP and EtD Commitment will fill approximately one third of Delta’s pilot hiring needs,
allowing for continuous and enhanced career progression for current and new Endeavor
pilots.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Just got an email saying all new Endeavor pilots get to flow up without interviewing again. If I was at Endeavor and failed the SSP interview, I'd be ****ed.
Current Endeavor guys aren't eligible, only future endeavor hires.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Current Endeavor guys aren't eligible, only future endeavor hires.

So I guess DAL doesn't care if they leave en masse for UAL/AAL/JBLU/SWA?

Interesting tack I must admit.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:35 AM
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Here's the top reason they list for needing the flow up program:

EtD Commitment is expected to bolster Endeavor’s ability to attract career-minded pilots while positioning the airline for growth.

Delta wants to make sure Endeavor has the capability to grow. Are you guys sure it isn't worth some negotiating capital to continue shrinking the number of large RJs?

Face it, they still love the 70-76-90 seaters and will do whatever it takes to breathe life into the struggling regional model. I see this as a very creative way of helping ensure Endeavor is able to retain the staffing required to continue flying routes that Delta pilots should be flying.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Here's the top reason they list for needing the flow up program:

EtD Commitment is expected to bolster Endeavor’s ability to attract career-minded pilots while positioning the airline for growth.

Delta wants to make sure Endeavor has the capability to grow. Are you guys sure it isn't worth some negotiating capital to continue shrinking the number of large RJs?
Capability is one thing. Actually ability is another.

Not one red cent.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So I guess DAL doesn't care if they leave en masse for UAL/AAL/JBLU/SWA?

Interesting tack I must admit.
So was the DAL MEC fully engaged and involved in the process of coming up with this, or was it another instance, similar to the SSP, of excluding the lawful bargaining agent for Delta pilots and negotiating directly with another pilot group?
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
So was the DAL MEC fully engaged and involved in the process of coming up with this, or was it another instance, similar to the SSP, of excluding the lawful bargaining agent for Delta pilots and negotiating directly with another pilot group?
Since when did unions take over hiring at Delta. I think the program sucks but management decides who they hire and controls the seniority list. I doubt they will hand hiring over to DALPA.
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