Sink r8

Well, just for that, I'm going to disagree with your agreement!

Actually, C2102 had polling and MEMRAT. I do agree that there is always a heavy push to sell the final product, but it's impossible to deny that the pilots voted for C21012. Some people have a huge heartburn seeing that we voted for it at almost a 2:1 ratio yes:no, so e blame sales-jobs, the union, etc.

Truth is, we get what we deserve. We don't show up at meetings , we don't call our reps, we don't usually know the contract, we don't vote in new blood, we don't demand term limits. And come to think of it, we might be screwed if we had term limits anyway, because we also don't volunteer anyhow. So the same few guys end up doing all the jobs, and cycle from one to the next. I'm guessing ALPA is 1/3 really good guys serving us thanklessly as lifers, 1/3 entrenched self-serving lifers you couldn't scrape off, and 1/3 coming through, get slammed by whiny pilots that never show up at meetings, never call, don't usually know the contract, and don't vote. But they sure take the liberty of accusing the reps of every sort of misdeed in the world.

Would you want to be a rep? I sure don't.

We're like a lazy family where everyone has a license, but no one ever wants to drive or read a map, and we act all surprised when uncle Alfred ends up running out of gas in the middle of the night, when he's the only one with his eyes open. When he asks questions everyone tells him to shut up and get us some fast food,, and when he doesn't ask questions, we get upset because he got us Whoppers at the drive-through, and we wanted McDonalds.

Failing to supervise: that's how you end up with guys who ran on communications and good representation so far off the reservation.

I think the reps really thought they had our back, and were delivering a good product. They misread us. That's what happens when you let them run around unsupervised, with a bunch of power we've long ago relinquished: they get it wrong.

It's easy to blame them for all of it, maybe a little too easy.

Fly4hire

Frank,

I guarantee you the Co. looks at pay-banding as a HUGE money saving opportunity. Better think hard about what that means for us. Sure we'd see some short term gains on the surface but likely at the long term cost of career advancement. I don't want a trivial pay raise in exchange for reduced career progression opportunities. The biggest pay raise you'll get is moving to a higher paying seat.

Sorry, but I kinda doubt all WB will get paid at 777/744 rates, nor MNB at 739, or SNB at M88 rates with additional time in grade steps. Management says training is no cost, so what's the incentive other than to reduce staffing (=increased productivity) which helps us how?

Strikes me as more selling off of our career for transient dollars. Staffing = seniority, and while pay comes and goes seniority is form entire working lives

Hillbilly

Thanks Carl!

Alan Shore

It should come on your next one or two paychecks, depending on exactly when the PD was removed.

Michael Jackson

Off topic. Does sick time count towards the greenslip trigger?

Alan Shore

Three possibilities (only two of them legal):

1) None of the 3-day guys are legal for the trip
2) The 3-day guys are all on short call at the time of report and the 4-day guys is not
3) Crew Scheduling is making sh!t up again.

Alan Shore

It does......

FmrFreightDog

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Bucking Bar

We pulled down the CAL Codeshare when it was no longer used.

Let's pull down the Alaska language as this becomes the Company's business plan.

GBU-24

As other folks have noted the 117 PD issues have been corrected...does anyone know how these will show up in our pay?

Also, its been a long time since I went to training...can you use positive space to go back and forth to home on days off?