Alan Shore

My understanding of the pay, no credit for 5:15 would have gone into effect at the same time as the new FTDT rules, followed later by 5:15 pay and credit. According to my reps, the Negotiating Committee briefed on Wednesday that the Company had requested to get rid of the 5:15 pay, no credit part, as that would have substantially increased the programming time needed to implement the entire LOA, and they did not wish to duplicate their efforts. In return, they proposed to hold off implementing the FAR duty tables until 5:15 pay and credit came into effect.

It was the next day (Thursday) that the direction to pull SDP's came down. In return for that, we apparently gave up the additional hour for long call response.

GogglesPisano

Since most guys are on their devices watching stuff or reading, I prefer no music and the TV on mute -- nothing worse than trying to read or debate on APC with angry people yelling at each other on Fox News in the background -- (or CNN, relax!)

But if I were Dear Leader, I would pipe this into the lounge on a continuous loop --


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM&feature=kp

Alan Shore

I'm only guessing here, but keep in mind that the normal "promptly available" swings both ways, when it comes to just how long that means. The only stated rule is that a pilot must be in the "general area of his base" and that he must respond and report "promptly," i.e., drop whatever he's doing and head for the airport.

Our expectation in this is that it's perfectly OK for a pilot to need 2-3 hours to report in rush hour traffic. Similarly, the Company's expectation is that a pilot who lives 20 minutes from the airport (or who happens to be sitting at the airport) can report in significantly less time.

Having agreed to an additional two hours to begin short call, they may not then have been willing to give up another two hours to report, when they currently anticipate that some pilots (commuters or locals who live close) can respond more quickly.

forgot to bid

I have a long layover and not much to do here and about trolled out on Alaska so let me catch up...



... okay. I am caught up.

Express pilot

You cannot use the 2 hr commute for SC after day 1.

Alan Shore

So you're saying that C2012 was the Company's opener? Really?

Alan Shore

Agreed. Anybody who flies fatigued because he is afraid of his CPO needs to better understand his own responsibilities and the protections offered by ALPA. To my knowledge, no pilot has EVER had his job at Delta placed in jeopardy by a fatigue call.

There have been a few who have been asked what led to their fatigued state. I understand that one such pilot had pay withheld when he explained that he was up all night with a sick family member. (Not sure I like the way that was handled.) To my knowledge, no one has EVER had pay withheld for refusing to extend a scheduled duty period due to fatigue, much less been threatened with any sort of job security.

DogWhisperer

Great read and is fanning the flames of my desire to find an Mad Dog stuck in some farmer's barn...

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hockeypilot44

I don't understand why we are not allowed. They can't even notify us of the trip until the short call starts or it resets out rest. They can't expect us to show us within minutes of being acknowledged. Even the guy who lives 20 minutes away might be at the gym and have to go home and shower and pack. Seems petty to me taking that away.

forgot to bid

Okay I am not caught up. I'm trying though.

I still don't get the N vs S rehash. I get from an individual pilots perspective "but in 2008 (2007, 2006, etc) I was moving up the list... and holding... and it was going to be awesome..." Well the crash in the fall of 2008 and subsequent economic malaise has destroyed a lot of wealth and a lot of lives and career trajectories everywhere. All I know is DAL+NWA in 2014 is in very good shape and I believe in RA's team and I'm glad we merged.