Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-27-2014, 01:43 AM
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05-27-2014, 04:08 AM
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05-27-2014, 04:16 AM
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Seriously, blame me. Leonardo DiCaprio and I travel around drugging people and inserting thoughts in their heads through dreams. They made a movie about us called Inception and I was there in that final scene which was filmed in MSP. Carl can tell you, it is every bit true. I planned this as a false flag attack on the soverign nation of Canada and fell short. I am completely and individually responsible for everything from the EFB delay to weeds growing in your front yard. If your cat is pregnant, well she looked like a 737 from the rear. Hell, I am the reason Bunny Lebowski only has 9 toes!
That having been stated, how can it possibly matter where the SDP concept came from? My understanding is that ALL of our reps provided direction to our NC. My understanding is when concerns arose that ALL reps redirected and our NC got an agreement under which Delta pilots got substantial gains.
Someone asked "where did this come from" and the resolution existed. Several on our MEC (outside of 20) thought SDPs were a good idea (and I am not against them). When the Council 20 resolution was posted some were offended ... and I still have no idea why anyone would find that offensive. None.
I found it odd that when the proper response was "great job" APC was wanting to recall other Council's reps ... I can not figure it out.
Someone asked "where did this come from" and the resolution existed. Several on our MEC (outside of 20) thought SDPs were a good idea (and I am not against them). When the Council 20 resolution was posted some were offended ... and I still have no idea why anyone would find that offensive. None.
I found it odd that when the proper response was "great job" APC was wanting to recall other Council's reps ... I can not figure it out.
You heard anything on a delay for the 330IGW Sailing is talking about? New airplanes should really help the trip mix, and a delay would be a bummer.
05-27-2014, 04:26 AM
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My son and his family (4) went to the east coast on real Delta tickets, the children caught strep and they were not able to return home on their original date, initially they were told that it was going to cost $200 per person for a change fee plus the difference in the tickets....well over $1000! He travels alot on Delta and attempted one more time to see if they could work something out, when the situation was explained...Delta asked for the hospital, Dr and a phone number; after which the only charge was the difference...approx $60.00 per person. Kudos to the company, very impressive!
05-27-2014, 05:19 AM
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I emailed one of my reps. Asked about where the idea of CDO's came from. Asked about cost. Here is the reply.
XXXX,
Thanks for the feedback! To be direct, the Negotiators got CDOs because we told them to get CDOs.
Since Flight Time – Duty Time stuff wasn’t addressed in C2012 due to the impending changes to the regs, the feedback and data from that process was combined with some Green Book items (a compilation of previous resolutions and other input). The result was an “opener” for FAR 117 that included CDOs. The direction was to get as much pay/credit for CDOs as possible, and to put restrictions in place to make them the “good” Illegals we remember from NWA days, and not the “bad” ones that always went junior.
We started negotiations PRIOR to 117 being implemented, so adjustments were made to our position after we’d gotten a good handle on how Flight Ops was going to respond to the changes, and more importantly, what areas the pilots wanted us to address. The adjustments were made a couple of months ago, mostly notably to add the PD guys, pull Door Pay, and tweak a few others based upon what we were hearing from the Line. CDOs remained.
After the TA, the MEC had heartburn with the portion of CDOs that would be pay/no-credit, and some concern about other parts that weren’t as restrictive as had been envisioned. The feedback from the pilots was the key, though. Had CDOs remained in the deal, I’m 100% certain the TA would’ve gone to MemRat.
CDOs had some attraction because they paid very well, recaptured some current RJ flying, and were more restrictive than the trips that were popular at NWA. They sucked because not everyone has the ability to “sleep fast” on a quick layover. As you know, that’s one of the biggest reasons why some pilots don’t pursue widebody flying, their inability to sleep on the aircraft inflight.
I can’t and won’t discuss costing. I can tell you that it will cost Delta a lot of money...and north of 125 pilots. The staffing requirement is across all categories, and not just new hires.
Thanks again,
XXXX
XXXX,
Thanks for the feedback! To be direct, the Negotiators got CDOs because we told them to get CDOs.
Since Flight Time – Duty Time stuff wasn’t addressed in C2012 due to the impending changes to the regs, the feedback and data from that process was combined with some Green Book items (a compilation of previous resolutions and other input). The result was an “opener” for FAR 117 that included CDOs. The direction was to get as much pay/credit for CDOs as possible, and to put restrictions in place to make them the “good” Illegals we remember from NWA days, and not the “bad” ones that always went junior.
We started negotiations PRIOR to 117 being implemented, so adjustments were made to our position after we’d gotten a good handle on how Flight Ops was going to respond to the changes, and more importantly, what areas the pilots wanted us to address. The adjustments were made a couple of months ago, mostly notably to add the PD guys, pull Door Pay, and tweak a few others based upon what we were hearing from the Line. CDOs remained.
After the TA, the MEC had heartburn with the portion of CDOs that would be pay/no-credit, and some concern about other parts that weren’t as restrictive as had been envisioned. The feedback from the pilots was the key, though. Had CDOs remained in the deal, I’m 100% certain the TA would’ve gone to MemRat.
CDOs had some attraction because they paid very well, recaptured some current RJ flying, and were more restrictive than the trips that were popular at NWA. They sucked because not everyone has the ability to “sleep fast” on a quick layover. As you know, that’s one of the biggest reasons why some pilots don’t pursue widebody flying, their inability to sleep on the aircraft inflight.
I can’t and won’t discuss costing. I can tell you that it will cost Delta a lot of money...and north of 125 pilots. The staffing requirement is across all categories, and not just new hires.
Thanks again,
XXXX
05-27-2014, 05:23 AM
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05-27-2014, 05:28 AM
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Wrong. We are all ALPA. Those who work on our behalf, i.e., our "friends and co-workers, AKA reps, are ALPA. They are supported by, but do NOT "work for," others in the umbrella organization, which you call the vendor.
05-27-2014, 05:33 AM
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I don't think it's contractual. Well - not directly. I think it comes from the fact that any report time on SC has to be in your SC window.
So - say you go off short call at 11am. Since the call out is about two hours, anytime after 9am the report time for a trip should would be after 11am. So - there isn't any use for you after 9am. Therefore - scheduling would release you after 9am because they effectively couldn't use you. (They can't assign a report of say, 11:15 because then you aren't on SC anymore).
So - say you go off short call at 11am. Since the call out is about two hours, anytime after 9am the report time for a trip should would be after 11am. So - there isn't any use for you after 9am. Therefore - scheduling would release you after 9am because they effectively couldn't use you. (They can't assign a report of say, 11:15 because then you aren't on SC anymore).
05-27-2014, 05:40 AM
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Introducing the new reserve methodology now seems to be a plus, as we again get to keep our phones off for an extended period of time. The new FTDT limits in the PWA will come into play at the same time as ADG. IOW, the Company does not get the FAR duty limits until we get ADG. The more restrictive reroute rule comes into effect immediately.
05-27-2014, 05:46 AM
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Anyone else think they need music in the crew lounge?
I vote trance or dub stub. You could hear a pin drop in this place.
I vote trance or dub stub. You could hear a pin drop in this place.
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