Purple Drank

Do you think the TA would have been altered to remove SDPs without the threat of the DPA? I'm not saying the threat of the DPA is responsible, but it certainly could have been a factor.

as an aside...participating within the DALPA system really was a false choice to frame with regards to the DPA. That "solution" would do nothing to separate our pilot group (and our dues dollars) from the bloated fat cats (and their self-serving agenda) at ALPA national.

No, I am not a DPA supporter anymore. I publicly withdrew my support here in December (and I withdrew my support for TC long before that), and my card has expired.

80ktsClamp

My understanding is that when the language was made apparent was well as that outcry of the membership, that it was made abundantly clear that the language needed to change.

I don't really think the DPA threat had anything to do with the pulling down of the SDPs... just it was made very well known they needed to go and there would be a backlash (in many different shades) if they let them stay.

The interesting thing is that the LOA was actually worth 2 million less to us in the end without the SDPs since they paid so much, so it was logical the company said "yeah, sure, pull em" so easily.

I'm still amazed at how immature and bullheaded Carl has been the last few days. I was happy to see him come back, but I think he's gotten worse over his break. I will agree that Bar tends to be "ready FIRE aim" when it comes to north/south issues.

Big E 757

Ok, can we get back on topic....the juicy rumor topic. I think Scambo said here heard some outrageous rumors he was afraid of bringing up here because they were so out there. I haven't heard anything but I haven't worked much this month...anyone else?

Bucking Bar

The thing is, these are not N/S issues. They are Delta issues.

Have I ever made a push on an irrelevant position which can not be changed, ever? What I am falsely accused of makes no sense; nor does it exist. Some of the best pilots here who I consider good friends are former NWA. I appreciate their help in the struggle to stop outsourcing. They've certainly added welcome voices to the debate.

With this current question several folks wrote that a C20 resolution was a good idea and deserves more discussion than it was given in this rush to judgement (not that we had time, there kinda had to be a rush under the circumstance). Others on our MEC agree. How is that hating on the North?

Would it make anyone feel better if I introduced a similar resolution in C44? Heck, last C44 meeting a MSP pilot chided us on another web board about not doing enough to pass a resolution in support of restoration for those who got PD's under the SD memo. Guess who and where his idea got passed 24 hours of his complaint? If you look at the facts a pretty good argument can be made that I advocate FOR North issues. Not that I've ever thought of any idea other than on it's merits. MSP is a Delta base, but if it matters, yeah resolutions other Councils have asked me to present or coordinate in C44 have actually done better than my own resolutions.

Carl makes up stuff all the time. Why does this stick? It is true that I don't care for the DPA. But according to the DP itself their effort has more support in my home town than anywhere else.

The most likely explanation is that over sensitive people are offended at absolutely nothing & Carl is exploiting them.

Bucking Bar

Granted the FAR 117 negotiations were much more broad than any of us line pilots had any idea of.

Can you consider:

• We were not in Section 6 negotiations with polling data and the kind of survey resources that ALPA fires up prior to the NMB process.
• The limited survey data and feedback supported what was negotiated
• The negotiators accomplished what they were directed to do
• When it was apparent an error had been made, your MEC acted very quickly to remedy the situation.
• The outcome was a gain for you and your pilot group.

You've falsely accused me, repeatedly. I will let it go. But, it is hoped you'll slow down and take another look at the service provided for you by your reps.

80ktsClamp

I agree with you on Carl and the DPA... that being said.. you know how many times you've reported posts or PMed me to take down posts where you've said ill advised things on north/south issues... or I'll log on and see a string of edited posts after you yet again posted something north/south and resulting angry responses from other users. That's the reason why I said something this time.

80ktsClamp

What a cop out response. Do you really believe the things you type?

Fly4hire

Bar,

Are you saying the NC was directed by the Reps to bring back SDP's that were pay/partial credit? Or did they bring something back outside of the negotiating box they were given?

Also FYI have a copy of an email where MD responded to an acquaintance reference the SDP's, and was told that the SDP direction had nothing with the 2010 C20 resolution that failed at the MEC level (AI 10-52).

Fly4hire

From another board DYODD

sailingfun

You need to read your scope clause.