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05-25-2014, 11:48 AM

#158601

TeddyKGB

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikz09

It's impossible to know. The union only puts out information about the PRO'S and never anything about the CONS/negatives. They never illustrate both sides of the coin. It's my biggest beef with this union! Nothing ever seems crystal clear. The devil is in the details

Of course the CONS get implemented asap while we have to wait until November for the PRO's, like ADG. Way to go DALPA

05-25-2014, 12:09 PM

#158602

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta1067

Of course the CONS get implemented asap while we have to wait until November for the PRO's, like ADG. Way to go DALPA

The company was not going to introduce a item into the summer schedule that required both a staffing change and a bunch of IT changes. The original agreement I am told was to have a look back each month making each pilot whole via pay no credit for the 5:15 to go into effect 1 JUN. That went away when we asked the company to drop the CDO's as well as the 13th hour of long call.

05-25-2014, 12:11 PM

#158603

LeineLodge

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Position: DAL FO

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Is there currently an exception printed in the contract?

The part that purple quoted is the current contract language (prior to the LOA.) The exception is what was there and is being amended by the LOA.

05-25-2014, 12:14 PM

#158604

iaflyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Is there currently an exception printed in the contract?

Here's what the PWA currently says:

and here is what I think replaced the "Exception" language:

05-25-2014, 12:15 PM

#158605

LeineLodge

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Position: DAL FO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta1067

Of course the CONS get implemented asap while we have to wait until November for the PRO's, like ADG. Way to go DALPA

Which cons? Some of them like adopting the FDP tables don't go into effect until November when the ADG is implemented.

Interestingly I did a long day yesterday that is legal under our current rules but won't be when we adopt the FDP tables. There is plenty of give/take in the max duty tables. I would have liked to see some of that tightened up. The LOA is pretty well outlined in the negotiator notepad. Some things that you might consider a con are a positive to others, and vice versa.

05-25-2014, 12:27 PM

#158606

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

IF that's true, it's a stunning display of incompetence by our side. Stunning. Lack of communication led to the pilots revolting, leading to our side begging management to save them, leading to management feeling they had the hammer to take back what they previously agreed to. Did we really just throw away the differential of 5:15 ADG between June 1 and November?

If true, words absolutely fail me.

Carl

05-25-2014, 12:44 PM

#158607

80ktsClamp

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Position: Poodle Whisperer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iaflyer

Here's what the PWA currently says:

and here is what I think replaced the "Exception" language:

That didn't answer the question. People are saying you can no longer be released 2 hours prior to the end of the period...

05-25-2014, 01:00 PM

#158608

80ktsClamp

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There is no current codification of the early release from SC in the current PWA that I can find. Therefore, the LOA does not change early release.

05-25-2014, 01:06 PM

#158609

Pineapple Guy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

An equally viable argument is that ALPA had previously extracted every dollar of value that was available, and once the CDO portion was eliminated, the total package no longer made sense to management. I.E. the cost of an agreement without CDO flexibility exceeded the cost of no agreement.

So, the only way to get a deal that still brought value was to tweak the ADG implementation.

And while I have no idea whether that is true, you also have no facts supporting your opinion.

And welcome back, btw. We've all missed you.

05-25-2014, 01:19 PM

#158610

Carl Spackler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

An equally viable argument is that ALPA had previously extracted every dollar of value that was available, and once the CDO portion was eliminated, the total package no longer made sense to management. I.E. the cost of an agreement without CDO flexibility exceeded the cost of no agreement.

So, the only way to get a deal that still brought value was to tweak the ADG implementation.

And while I have no idea whether that is true, you also have no facts supporting your opinion.

And welcome back, btw. We've all missed you.

Which is why I wrote what I wrote...and I'll bold the parts I think you missed:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

IF that's true, it's a stunning display of incompetence by our side. Stunning. Lack of communication led to the pilots revolting, leading to our side begging management to save them, leading to management feeling they had the hammer to take back what they previously agreed to. Did we really just throw away the differential of 5:15 ADG between June 1 and November?

If true, words absolutely fail me.

Don't know how I could have stated any more strongly that it was my opinions if true.

Thanks for the welcome PG. it's so nice to be missed.

Carl