Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-25-2014, 09:01 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 65
05-25-2014, 09:18 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 65
Definitely something to put back on the list for the next engagement. I don't commute anymore, and really hope I never have to commute to reserve again. That was a really useful tool for a RES commuter, for whom every hour counts.
It is offset IMO for the first day with the 1000 earliest start-time (which would allow the 2 hour commute.) This is an improvement over the old 0500 earliest start time. For my previous commute, that would have been a huge improvement. However, I would like to see us get the 2 hour commute to SC back for any day even though it hopefully won't ever affect me again...
Btw, I think we were sitting right next to each other at the meeting - and hanging out in the hall for hours on end. Nice meeting you in person.
It is offset IMO for the first day with the 1000 earliest start-time (which would allow the 2 hour commute.) This is an improvement over the old 0500 earliest start time. For my previous commute, that would have been a huge improvement. However, I would like to see us get the 2 hour commute to SC back for any day even though it hopefully won't ever affect me again...
Btw, I think we were sitting right next to each other at the meeting - and hanging out in the hall for hours on end. Nice meeting you in person.
Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.
05-25-2014, 09:28 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
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Although it might be an improvement from the PWA, that 1000 report is worse than the noon report the company has been using since FAR 117. That was a big QOL win when the company self imposed that, and it kept me home a few nights where I would have been gone previously.
Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.
Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.
The main benefit is the ADG. SC went to 12 hours from notification from 10 which basically covers the 2 hour period that could have been previously used for a commute. 2 hour commute was retained for day 1 IF they assign it prior to 1500 on your last x day. I view it as you still have to be in base no sooner than 1200 on day 1. You just have to be ready to go if you're on SC. To me that's way better than 5am potentially.
What the company chooses to do outside of the PWA (ie noon on day 1) can also be taken away. Having 10am with a de facto noon earliest start, in the PWA, is locked in now. It used to be 5am. Don't keno about you, but I frequently had an early RAP on day 1 requiring a commute in the night before.
I don't know about the 2 hour early release. I'll have to dig a bit more on that one.
05-25-2014, 09:36 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
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Although it might be an improvement from the PWA, that 1000 report is worse than the noon report the company has been using since FAR 117. That was a big QOL win when the company self imposed that, and it kept me home a few nights where I would have been gone previously.
Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.
Trying hard not be be a negative person but I'm just not seeing the advantages for commuting reserves here. Especially in categories that don't typically meet the max reserve each month. And that 137 pilots number isn't much compared to the numbers of hirees in the next few years, compared to the QOL changes brought on.
I see this becoming an issue in C2015 where the company will undoubtedly aim to reduce head count and smooth out the massive training wave that's about to crash. I'm worried guys will say things like "it's only 137 (500, 800, etc) positions, but it doesn't matter because everyone is upgrading and we're hiring 800 a year". Not attacking you personally, just pointing out something we, as a group, need to be careful of.
05-25-2014, 09:40 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 65
I don't disagree with a thing you're saying fwiw.
The main benefit is the ADG. SC went to 12 hours from notification from 10 which basically covers the 2 hour period that could have been previously used for a commute. 2 hour commute was retained for day 1 IF they assign it prior to 1500 on your last x day. I view it as you still have to be in base no sooner than 1200 on day 1. You just have to be ready to go if you're on SC. To me that's way better than 5am potentially.
What the company chooses to do outside of the PWA (ie noon on day 1) can also be taken away. Having 10am with a de facto noon earliest start, in the PWA, is locked in now. It used to be 5am. Don't keno about you, but I frequently had an early RAP on day 1 requiring a commute in the night before.
I don't know about the 2 hour early release. I'll have to dig a bit more on that one.
The main benefit is the ADG. SC went to 12 hours from notification from 10 which basically covers the 2 hour period that could have been previously used for a commute. 2 hour commute was retained for day 1 IF they assign it prior to 1500 on your last x day. I view it as you still have to be in base no sooner than 1200 on day 1. You just have to be ready to go if you're on SC. To me that's way better than 5am potentially.
What the company chooses to do outside of the PWA (ie noon on day 1) can also be taken away. Having 10am with a de facto noon earliest start, in the PWA, is locked in now. It used to be 5am. Don't keno about you, but I frequently had an early RAP on day 1 requiring a commute in the night before.
I don't know about the 2 hour early release. I'll have to dig a bit more on that one.
05-25-2014, 09:52 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 65
As to your second part about the 137, that illustrates a major concern of mine. I'm worried that guys will not focus on productivity/work rules as much in the good times (massive hiring). Just because we are hiring a lot if pilots doesn't mean 137 is insignificant. Improving staffing and our pay when we're at work shouldn't get lost in the hiring wave. The music will eventually stop...
I see this becoming an issue in C2015 where the company will undoubtedly aim to reduce head count and smooth out the massive training wave that's about to crash. I'm worried guys will say things like "it's only 137 (500, 800, etc) positions, but it doesn't matter because everyone is upgrading and we're hiring 800 a year". Not attacking you personally, just pointing out something we, as a group, need to be careful of.
I see this becoming an issue in C2015 where the company will undoubtedly aim to reduce head count and smooth out the massive training wave that's about to crash. I'm worried guys will say things like "it's only 137 (500, 800, etc) positions, but it doesn't matter because everyone is upgrading and we're hiring 800 a year". Not attacking you personally, just pointing out something we, as a group, need to be careful of.
05-25-2014, 10:23 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 83
These flights start on Dec 19th...
SEA-OGG 757, daily
SEA-SJD A319, daily during the holiday period, then Sat-only in Jan, more frequency during peak periods in Feb/Mar
SEA-BZN, E75, daily during the holiday period, then Sat-only in Jan, more frequency during peak periods in Feb/Mar
SEA-OGG 757, daily
SEA-SJD A319, daily during the holiday period, then Sat-only in Jan, more frequency during peak periods in Feb/Mar
SEA-BZN, E75, daily during the holiday period, then Sat-only in Jan, more frequency during peak periods in Feb/Mar
05-25-2014, 11:35 AM
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Does anyone have the old wording?
b. must be promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling during his short call period until the earlier of:
1) the end of the short call period, or
2) his departure to report for an awarded/assigned rotation.
Exception: A pilot will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows:
a) At the time the pilot is notified of his conversion to short call, the pilot will advise Crew Scheduling that he will be:
i. traveling to his base, and
ii. unavailable for contact during the first two hours of the short call.
b) The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours after the start of the short call period.
c) When the pilot arrives at his base, he assumes responsibility for acknowledging any rotation placed on his line by checking his schedule via DBMS or contacting Crew Scheduling.
d) When the pilot checks his schedule, his line may contain a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period.
1) the end of the short call period, or
2) his departure to report for an awarded/assigned rotation.
Exception: A pilot will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows:
a) At the time the pilot is notified of his conversion to short call, the pilot will advise Crew Scheduling that he will be:
i. traveling to his base, and
ii. unavailable for contact during the first two hours of the short call.
b) The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours after the start of the short call period.
c) When the pilot arrives at his base, he assumes responsibility for acknowledging any rotation placed on his line by checking his schedule via DBMS or contacting Crew Scheduling.
d) When the pilot checks his schedule, his line may contain a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period.
05-25-2014, 11:36 AM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Is there currently an exception printed in the contract?
05-25-2014, 11:38 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: M88 B
Posts: 399
I was responding to your post about the MEC (co-company as you call them) negotiating a cost-neutral deal. If you can show YOUR math that ADG of 5:15 and a 14 hour reroute rule DOESN'T increase the company's cost, then I'm all ears...
Line item accounting wasn't shown in open session at the meeting - which you knew. I wasn't able to see the math, line by line, but when the opened the room back up the NC and reps all openly used the figures +$38M and +137 jobs.
If you have a basis for your implied assertion that the NC/MEC is lying to us then I suggest you dig a little further with your C20 reps. I'm all for exposing a conspiracy - let us know what you find out.
Line item accounting wasn't shown in open session at the meeting - which you knew. I wasn't able to see the math, line by line, but when the opened the room back up the NC and reps all openly used the figures +$38M and +137 jobs.
If you have a basis for your implied assertion that the NC/MEC is lying to us then I suggest you dig a little further with your C20 reps. I'm all for exposing a conspiracy - let us know what you find out.
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