capncrunch

We really lost the ability to commute in on the first 2 hours of SC?!?!

I didn't know that. Lame!!!

Carl Spackler

Understood, but what if a majority of those reps also fell for the extreme fear campaign and high pressure sales job? They have to own caving in the same way we have to own it. Even though "Scrappy" was one of the architects of the fear campaign, we never forced "Scrappy" to use his negotiating skills because we accepted the first TA.

Carl

Wilbur Wright

A couple of things you'll like about this Timbo is that not only NRT-SIN/BKK should be augmented, DH will now be in business class.

Express pilot

Yep, you can only use it coming off an X day or hard non fly day. This was a big concession.

Express pilot

This new LOA has this new crappy rule.

badflaps

#1 for twenty years once told me, "Fly your trips like it was your plane and your family was on board, the company will throw themselves down, turn blue, and pound their fists..... but they'll get up and walk away"......

Wilbur Wright

I'd like to see the source on this. The notepad talked about the first reserve day following an off day, but I didn't see anything about revoking the 2 hour commute in for other days.

LeineLodge

I agree. As a former Reserve commuter this sucks. The 2 hour commute option is now only for the first day of RES following an off-day. I think it's actually even more restrictive than what you guys are talking about.

Still trying to wrap my head around it, but the way I read this is the 2 hour commute on SC is only available if they place the SC on your line by 1500 on your last on-call day. Note the 'and' in the sentence below, that talks about not being required to be available.

Taking it to the exact wording they use, I read it that you aren't afforded the 2 hour commute, even on the first day, unless it's on your line by 1500. For example, a 1200 SC assigned at midnight of your first day of RES wouldn't qualify - unless I'm missing something...

Here's the verbiage from the LOA:

EE. Amend Section 23. S. 9. b. Exception to read:

Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, and whose conversion was placed on his line at least nine hours prior to the end of such non-fly day, will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period …

LeineLodge

I'd like to see their interpretation on this. Maybe there was an agreement at the table, and this isn't going to be interpreted exactly as written? Here is the exact language from the LOA:

EE. Amend Section 23. S. 9. b. Exception to read:

Exception: A pilot who is converted to short call on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, and whose conversion was placed on his line at least nine hours prior to the end of such non-fly day, will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period …


and here is the Section from the PWA (23.S.9.b) that is being amended by the language in the LOA:

b. must be promptly available for contact by Crew Scheduling during his short call period until the earlier of:
1) the end of the short call period, or
2) his departure to report for an awarded/assigned rotation.
Exception: A pilot will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period as follows:
a) At the time the pilot is notified of his conversion to short call, the pilot will advise Crew Scheduling that he will be:
i. traveling to his base, and
ii. unavailable for contact during the first two hours of the short call.
b) The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours after the start of the short call period.
c) When the pilot arrives at his base, he assumes responsibility for acknowledging any rotation placed on his line by checking his schedule via DBMS or contacting Crew Scheduling.
d) When the pilot checks his schedule, his line may contain a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period.




I'm not sure if the above means the entire Exception was replaced, or only if the new language was added. I'll see if I can get clarification on that.

Red Five

That's why I'm asking this question as well... from what I've seen this issue may be a connecting of the dots versus a real verbiage and policy change... I haven't seen anything that negates the two hour commute after the first day, but the examples given only discuss coming off an X day. Is this a real verbiage change or are we jumping to conclusions from an overapplication of specific examples?

FWIW, I also don't understand how the notification changes will impact things either. I probably need a drawring with stick figures for all the ramifications of this to get through my thick skull