Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2014, 08:22 PM
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That is absolutely disgusting. I can't believe this was pushed without MEMRAT sneaking by with one vote. This was an opportunity to significantly increase long call and instead we only increased it an hour...and then gave that up?
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
05-23-2014, 08:27 PM
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05-23-2014, 08:31 PM
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05-23-2014, 08:34 PM
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I totally agree that there was a black hole of info ref the CDOs...Why?
That's what I want to know and I think is the crux of the concern.
It really doesn't paint a rosy picture of the MEC's "direction" since, theoretically, they work for the pilots.
If there was some proposal internally, to attempt to mitigate the 30 hour layovers, I can understand some spitballin' and groupthink, but is it really the MEC's duty to de-credit trips...The best way to do that is through rigs.
I totally agree that there was a black hole of info ref the CDOs...Why?
That's what I want to know and I think is the crux of the concern.
It really doesn't paint a rosy picture of the MEC's "direction" since, theoretically, they work for the pilots.
If there was some proposal internally, to attempt to mitigate the 30 hour layovers, I can understand some spitballin' and groupthink, but is it really the MEC's duty to de-credit trips...The best way to do that is through rigs.
They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.
It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.
05-23-2014, 08:34 PM
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That is absolutely disgusting. I can't believe this was pushed without MEMRAT sneaking by with one vote. This was an opportunity to significantly increase long call and instead we only increased it an hour...and then gave that up?
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
Seriously?
And for what? To undo the split duty part that we apparently wanted?
Wow. We got played.
Carl
05-23-2014, 08:43 PM
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I'd put all my money down that they were proposed to solve the 30 hour layover issue. Reading between the lines, the cost difference of the LOA was 40 million with, and 38 million without... so the SDPs were actually projected to pay us more overall and cost the company a bit more.
They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.
It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.
They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.
It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
05-23-2014, 08:48 PM
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I agree the final product is generally solid. It would be really interesting to know how many emails the reps were flailing with. Mine answered me- which was a surprise-after the fact.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.
I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.
That being said... perhaps some resolutions in the future to require any scheduling section changes are automatically sent to memory rat are in order. UA has that... I don't disagree with it. Most arguing for memory rat in this case are standing by their principles instead of the logical conclusion that the revised LOA would have certainly passed. Nothing wrong with that. The union doesn't have to spend a million bucks to do every vote for sure.
05-23-2014, 08:58 PM
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05-23-2014, 08:59 PM
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05-23-2014, 09:04 PM
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If you can handle the circadian aspect, they are very efficient and pay well.
Hmm... Strictly voluntary split duty periods?
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