RonRicco

And what would we do if ALPA polled and 51 percent said no to memrat?

What would we do if ALPA polled and 51 percent that we shouldn't poll any more?

Starcheck102

A willingness to rumble (whatever that means in 2014) was worth $100 or $200 at NWA, maybe a year after the fact.

Our way makes you whole. Think about that when you cash the check. That is cold hard cash, returned to you, in defense of your contract. There is no substitute for that.

Intransigence, cognitive dissonance, and faux populism just cost us all a few million bucks. Widen your focus.

forgot to bid

^^^ Douglas 808?

Which reminds me, did they put retro rockets on all of the C-5As or just this one?



Pretty cool stuff!

gzsg

When was the first time the line pilots saw this LOA?

Right after it was a done deal.

If ALPA was the bottom up organization it claims to be, the line pilots would have 7-14 days to review and give feedback to their reps before they vote.

If they are proud of their work, why do they always hide it from us?

DLpilot

Your argument for taking it to a grievance it does not make sense. The company is making everyone whole. Why would you rather risk going to a grievance? I applaud everyone who stood up and followed the contract. However, I seriously doubt most wanted to drag it out for a grievance that wasn't guaranteed to win.

Justdoinmyjob

80ktsClamp

I'm pleased with the final product, but far from thrilled with the official comm during this process. Only because I stayed in constant contact with my rep, APC, and other online avenues did I have any reasonable amount of information and details. I'm 100% behind my rep in this and how he handled things, but whoever was running the communication blew it.

It's pretty poor that they didn't provide the working language to us during the process. In fact, completely unsat.

Purple Drank

First...as I mentioned a while back, I am fortunate that I didn't need the loan. Someone else might.

How does you mocking their situations foster "unity?" Pretty low class, really. For that matter, how does you playing the north/south card promote unity?

Let's look at this whole process from management's perspective.

Today, they had a hotwash with their union buster to critique the test run of their C15 strategy. It's called "Divide and Conquer."

Here's how it works:

- the union buster writes a memo that totally ignores the contract. SD signs it.

- DALPA hems, haws and fails to provide decisive leadership, implicitly condoning the memo

- the company takes hostages by monetarily and psychologically penalizing those who stand up for the contract

- DALPA doesn't do jack **** to assist the hostages

- the guys who step up despise DALPA for a lack of backbone

- guys who aren't personally affected see DALPA rolling over; disunity ensues

- several months or years later, DALPA produces an inadequate TA and MD writes a "victory lap" memo

- yada yada yada (the closest description I can manage to describe what just happened)

- we get our asses handed to us a la C12

Bar, you preach "unity" but blindly fail to recognize that DALPA's actions (or inactions) are largely at fault.

Purple Drank

that's easy to say after the fact.

Carl Spackler

This TA is not all positive. It was some gain and some concession. Allowing members to vote is not "going through the motions."

What difference would that make? You only want MEMRAT when you personally disagree with something?

That's not true, but it's beside the point. See below.

Your logic is puzzling because you're really laying out a scenario where MEMRAT is never used. When something is perceived as a majority positive for pilots, MEMRAT is a waste of time, money, and just "going through the motions." When something is perceived as bad for pilots, people like you, shiznit and the others say not to worry because if it's bad, our reps will just vote no for us and thus not require MEMRAT. So in your world, exactly when is MEMRAT appropriate?

Carl