CheapTrick

So the process worked? Members called their reps and expressed their opinion, thoughts, protests, and concerns? The reps then responded by removing the contended language via the negotiating process before voting on the entire LOA? Seems like a beautiful thing.

I suppose now the permanent haters, the terminally grumpy, the anarchists, the victims, et al. will claim victory over the same men who serve them? Perhaps we can still be treated the "sky is falling" chorus that serves this forum as anonymous background music. Maybe some more visual stimulus like "we dodged a bullet, but the chamber is still full".

Tell me again why "no membership ratification" will breath life into DPA? This negotiation, process, and LOA appears to have been calmly and expertly handled.

Check Essential

There's a 30 minute buffer also.

I suppose they COULD do it. It wouldn't be an official Split Duty under the FARs though.

They would have to schedule it for 11+30 or less, the return leg would have to push before 6 AM, and here's the big one:

It would pay 10+30.

$$ Ka-ching. $$

vprMatrix

(NOTHING!

We just agreed to do CDO with no protection.

Honestly I think the SDP discussion was a red herring to get the FDP changed and the MEC has now rammed it down our throat faster that we could blink.

I have posted this several times in the last few days but here is the reality.

The SDP language would have allowed:
- 12 hour FDP (extendable to 14 hours)
- 3 hours minimum sleep opportunity
- No more than 2 hours skd block per leg

The thing nobody has been really paying attention to is the changes to Section 12.D.2 (Unaugmented FDP limits).

We have now agreed to up to 13.5 hour scheduled FDP vs current 13 and for night time ops our limits has gone from a low of 8.5 - 9 hours up to 10.5 or 11.5 hours scheduled with maxes of 13 and 14 hour.

With the new TA a pilot can be assigned a rotation with a 2100 report that looks like this:

- 11.5 hour FDP ( extendable to 14 with PIC/SIC concurrence)
- No Minimum Sleep Opportunity or even a Hotel Room
- No 2 hour block time restriction

I really hope someone else can show me where I am wrong, but I believe that we have just been had.

All we gained was 30 minutes and some pay. So that makes it all good and safe now.

gzsg

Good point. I thought our medical was so bad (catastrophic only) that they were done with that.

I know the MEC committed to a "historic" C2015 in True Heading 14-2 and after scope and major increases in pay, that we can make historic gains in medical. Back to something more reasonable.

I'd like to see the first $3000 each year covered by the company and the unused portion carried over to the next year.

For 2015 the $1000 in Delta dollars is toast. Many, including DALPA, glossed over this unilateral change.

gzsg

So you think a process where our leaders can attempt CDO without any inclusion of the line pilots is not broken?

Let's all work together to ensure that our leaders understand we will not settle for one penny less than "historic" for C2015.

Dirtdiver

IMHO on the 7ER, if the seat in front of the rest seat was occupied, spongebob hurt more than it helped. When the seat ahead fully reclined there was about 3 inches of space between the seatback and top of sb. Was especially shocking when you were asleep and your feet got crushed.

The "ironing board" on the 757ers is a joke as well. Try climbing over the person in 1B in a blacked out cabin with it installed. I take a poll to see if anyone really wants it, it usually stays in the closet.

I suppose the 4th floor gang either didn't think these through, or didn't care since they never had to use it.

vprMatrix

Because the SDPs weren't what the company wanted they were looking for the change to the FDPs taking our contract and making it a FAR limit regional style contract.

FlyingSig

PWA, Section 12 Q 1

Q. Window of Circadian Low (WOCL)

1. At the time of publication of the bid package:
a. if a duty period is scheduled to intrude into a WOCL, it will:
1) contain no more than two landings within the WOCL.
2) not contain a flight segment(s) originating subsequent to the WOCL.

orvil

I've missed this whole event and discussion. I just spent the week on a barrier island off the coast of Georgia without email, internet or television. It was an outstanding vacation.

I want to apologize to all of my FO's. I didn't plan it, but I had to spend the mornings at the breakfast table with a recently retired DAL 777 captain. What an asshat.

I have forgotten what it is to be stuck with no escape from such an arrogant jerk. I would like to think that I am not as big a prick as this individual.

I am glad I have a policy of multiple beers for my FO's on layover. I would commit to retiring early, but I have to pay for the vacation.

FlyingSig

§ 117.15 Flight duty period: Split duty.
For an unaugmented operation only, if a flightcrew member is provided with a rest opportunity (an opportunity to sleep) in a suitable accommodation during his or her flight duty period, the time that the flightcrew member spends in the suitable accommodation is not part of that flightcrew member’s flight duty period if all of the following conditions are met:
(a) The rest opportunity is provided between the hours of 22:00 and 05:00 local time.
(b) The time spent in the suitable accommodation is at least 3 hours, measured from the time that the flightcrew member reaches the suitable accommodation.
(c) The rest opportunity is scheduled before the beginning of the flight duty period in which that rest opportunity is taken.
(d) The rest opportunity that the flightcrew member is actually provided may not be less than the rest opportunity that was scheduled.
(e) The rest opportunity is not provided until the first segment of the flight duty period has been completed.
(f) The combined time of the flight duty period and the rest opportunity provided in this section does not exceed 14 hours.