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05-19-2014, 12:30 PM
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DAY FLIGHT DEPARTS ARRIVES BLK
A 2349 ATL 1507 SFO 1732 5.25
SFO 11.13 / Van Down By The River
B 240 SFO 0615 ATL 1357 4.42
TOTAL 10.30 TL 10.07 BL .23 CR 12.07 FDP
A 2349 ATL 1507 SFO 1732 5.25
SFO 11.13 / Van Down By The River
B 240 SFO 0615 ATL 1357 4.42
TOTAL 10.30 TL 10.07 BL .23 CR 12.07 FDP
05-19-2014, 12:38 PM
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This. So why did I just read the last 10 pages of speculation?
But, with that said, without noon for day one reserve is a no vote for me. Anything else requires a day before commute for me and I would imagine most guys.
I'll wait for details on the augmentation speculation. What Sailing said makes since to me (did I just say that
).COD (or whatever we'll call them) is one I feel strongly both ways on, but probably no for me as a protection to the young pups (I didn't like the few I did). However I would suggest they would affect such a small portion of the pilot group it'll be tough to get guys to vote no only on that issue. I see them as meaning we are trying to capture close in to hub cities now flown by RJs.......certainly good news.
JMHO
05-19-2014, 12:52 PM
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And since I haven't read Section 23 in a while, do you guys get 12 hours at the end of each block of days to get back home too?
05-19-2014, 12:56 PM
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So, let me get this straight. You have 18 days on call, but 4 half-days don't count. So, you're really only available to fly a total of 16 days. Fair enough - then I think local guys should get a reserve guarantee 10% higher than commuters, and I'll be glad to be available 10% more!
I'm assuming the first day of reserve is shortcall, what I normally get.
The rest of what I think you're saying isn't what I think at all....
PS. And why I avoid/don't commute to reserve when I can help it
05-19-2014, 01:01 PM
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And Sailing let me be clear on why I bring this up, the eyeball test says 2 pilots (A+B) fly transcon and go to hotel. Two other pilots (A+B) fly the jet back. 4 pilots required to do the two turns (2 A and 2 B).
If you can augment then you fly 1 crew (A+B+B) on the transcon and then they fly it home. (1 A and 2 B). You see 7 flights (ATL-SFO example) where you have 3 pilots. I see a decrease in the need to stage fewer pilots for an overnight.
Yes it absolutely is more block hours. But not all block hours are equal. NWA flew 4 man trips with 1 CA and 3 FOs and then swapped to 2 CA and 2 FOs requiring a lot of new 744 As. Big difference between the two and my hunch is the unique network scheduling issues with transcons means more (as you said below) double crews.
We double crewed by overnighting a second crew vs CAL who flew 737s down with a 3 man crew. I had friends who did it. Hated it. But if I understand you correctly double crews means 4 pilots required to do something vs 3 with an augmented crew.
If you can augment then you fly 1 crew (A+B+B) on the transcon and then they fly it home. (1 A and 2 B). You see 7 flights (ATL-SFO example) where you have 3 pilots. I see a decrease in the need to stage fewer pilots for an overnight.
Yes it absolutely is more block hours. But not all block hours are equal. NWA flew 4 man trips with 1 CA and 3 FOs and then swapped to 2 CA and 2 FOs requiring a lot of new 744 As. Big difference between the two and my hunch is the unique network scheduling issues with transcons means more (as you said below) double crews.
As I posted there are some limited situations where it might make sense in the Central America/Carib or NRT market. Many of our competitors did Carib turns augmented in markets they only flew a few days a week. We double crewed those because our contract required it. It's still not likely we will see much of that because the contract requires a rest seat.
05-19-2014, 01:03 PM
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For anyone who knows, that includes you Sailing , what is going on with the ER?
The crew resources newsletter said "As we stated in the April AE memo, we will selectively not backfill 7ER positions in DTW, NYC and MSP. The future block hour plan shows a decrease of 7ER flying from these stations."
The JSs I have on the ER say it's international is decreasing.
Is it?
, what is going on with the ER? The crew resources newsletter said "As we stated in the April AE memo, we will selectively not backfill 7ER positions in DTW, NYC and MSP. The future block hour plan shows a decrease of 7ER flying from these stations."
The JSs I have on the ER say it's international is decreasing.
Is it?
05-19-2014, 01:04 PM
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Does anyone know how to paste the article on here? It should be required reading for our future, if we choose to do nothing.
05-19-2014, 01:07 PM
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Another post with forum histeria without any real thought. As already discussed it requires 3 pilots verses two for each flight on a transcon turn. There has been nothing to stop any airline from flying these as a augmented turn for at least the last 30 years. No airline does them because it makes no sense. Even JetBlue who really wants transcon turns never considered augmenting them.
One other consideration. If Delta did decided to fly transcon turns if your not in the top 20 percent in category don't plan on seeing one. A SFO turn would pay around 12:30. Fly 6 a month and you will have 75 hours. Two three day groupings would look pretty nice as a monthly schedule! Not going to happen however, just to costly for the company
One other consideration. If Delta did decided to fly transcon turns if your not in the top 20 percent in category don't plan on seeing one. A SFO turn would pay around 12:30. Fly 6 a month and you will have 75 hours. Two three day groupings would look pretty nice as a monthly schedule! Not going to happen however, just to costly for the company
What is it currently?
The flaw in your analysis is that jobs are created by block hours flown, not time spent in a hotel. Augmented or not, you have the same number of flight hours. Each and every flight hour today require a Captain and an FO. If such flight hours are augmented tomorrow, each will still require a Captain and will now require two FOs.
The result is the same number of Captains required and more FOs, regardless of where those pilots sleep at night.
The result is the same number of Captains required and more FOs, regardless of where those pilots sleep at night.
05-19-2014, 01:17 PM
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But, I think where our rub is, I don't mind coming up the night before if I'm already on long call for a short call day (already working IMO). Or, give me an early availability on the second straight day of short call. If I'm coming off a X day, a late assignment or long call isn't unreasonable.
However, we have gone beak to beak on commuter vs non commuter issues before
05-19-2014, 01:18 PM
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