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05-18-2014, 04:42 AM
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Have to raise the BS flag on this one....
05-18-2014, 04:47 AM
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05-18-2014, 04:48 AM
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Wasn't it his memo that took us from 0500 to 1200 in the first place?
05-18-2014, 04:52 AM
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CDO's,...will go very senior at a 7.5 minimum. It will be interesting to see how often the company uses them with that type of credit. Don't plan on those 30 hour layovers going away. The company will build trips that minimize credit. How the company does that with a 5:15 daily minimum will be interesting. The same on (augmented) transcon turns.
And why would they put a third pilot on a flight that today is crewed by two, i.e., transcons?
05-18-2014, 04:57 AM
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05-18-2014, 05:00 AM
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I agree. Today, the Company can put most, if not all, of those 30-hour layovers into a 4-day trip with 7+ hours of flying on the other 3 days. They don't simply because there's no financial incentive to. Between the CDO guarantee and the ADG, I suspect we'll see exactly that most of the time, thus creating zero credit time from either a CDO or the ADG.
And why would they put a third pilot on a flight that today is crewed by two, i.e., transcons?
And why would they put a third pilot on a flight that today is crewed by two, i.e., transcons?
On another side note, I looked at a few bases and on average 25% of the rotations do not hit 5+15 ADG.
05-18-2014, 05:06 AM
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There are three things in this letter that I don't like:
1. CDO's the company will find a way to abuse them.
2. Adopting the FAR FDP's currently it looks like our contract is more restrictive especially for the late night flying.
3. augmenting non ocean crossing flights. This is currently being flown by two crews (dinner and a movie flights) that is a loss of Captain positions.
1. CDO's the company will find a way to abuse them.
2. Adopting the FAR FDP's currently it looks like our contract is more restrictive especially for the late night flying.
3. augmenting non ocean crossing flights. This is currently being flown by two crews (dinner and a movie flights) that is a loss of Captain positions.
05-18-2014, 05:19 AM
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They could do it with 3 and no hotel. But the jet has to have a legal rest facility.
05-18-2014, 05:23 AM
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I'd hate to see CDOs replace these. I would NEVER attempt to bid one on my line. This is a big step backwards.
I think the message is being massaged very carefully to get the spin out there before the facts, because this is a tough sell. I had the impression you were sold on this deal from your very first posts. I just wish we were given the facts and no sales job. I don't like this at all.
05-18-2014, 05:27 AM
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Is there a block time limit on the CDOs?
We used to do them on short flights and they were not that bad as long as you knew they were going to happen. (ie not on reserve)
However any wrinkle and they became a nightmare....
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We used to do them on short flights and they were not that bad as long as you knew they were going to happen. (ie not on reserve)
However any wrinkle and they became a nightmare....
Db
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