Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-17-2014, 03:49 PM
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§ 117.15 Flight duty period: Split duty.
(d) The rest opportunity that the
flightcrew member is actually provided
may not be less than the rest opportunity
that was scheduled.
05-17-2014, 04:07 PM
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nevermind... back to ignore you go. I don't have to read your posts to know what they say.
05-17-2014, 04:08 PM
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OK... I can buy off on that... maybe. Great find btw...
05-17-2014, 04:26 PM
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I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
05-17-2014, 04:28 PM
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Just seems funny to me because they've gone from one extreme to the other. SD's December memo put a huge emphasis on acknowledging 10 hours prior to assignment, whereas the contract only required 3 hours prior (I believe), but now scheduling won't require acknowledgment by a reserve pilot at all. Don't really have an opinion on it yet, just seems a bit off.
05-17-2014, 04:39 PM
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I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
Couldn't they have thought outside the box 5 months ago and avoided all this to begin with?
In January, we said the contract says acknowledgment 3 hours to report. They said the FAR's require acknowledgment 10 hours to report.
Now, they are saying no acknowledgment is required at all? What gives?
Now
05-17-2014, 04:43 PM
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I'm getting a little confused here. I haven't seen the letter yet, so can someone help me out?
Couldn't they have thought outside the box 5 months ago and avoided all this to begin with?
In January, we said the contract says acknowledgment 3 hours to report. They said the FAR's require acknowledgment 10 hours to report.
Now, they are saying no acknowledgment is required at all? What gives?
Now
Couldn't they have thought outside the box 5 months ago and avoided all this to begin with?
In January, we said the contract says acknowledgment 3 hours to report. They said the FAR's require acknowledgment 10 hours to report.
Now, they are saying no acknowledgment is required at all? What gives?
Now
The contract did not jibe with 117. It had to be changed. Either by negotiation or grievance.
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05-17-2014, 04:44 PM
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Purple-
I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
Once you turn off your phone and go fishing, turn off your phone's ringer and go to sleep, or whatever it is that takes you outside of your "contactable" status, then you just have to assume that scheduling called the next second with a trip reporting exactly 12/13 hours later. Adjust your behavior accordingly, and then check your schedule as needed to be able to responsibly report. If you are ATL-based and live in Peachtree City, you could probably turn off the phone up to 10 hours at a time. If you live in Pennsylvania and are NYC-based, that probably goes to as little as seven.
Actually, as I type this, if this is true (no mandatory schedule check, but it is on the long call pilot to show up for his trips ready to fly) the more I like it. It should put a lot of the "SD memo" angst to rest.
Has anyone stated yet that the devil is in the details?.....
05-17-2014, 04:45 PM
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05-17-2014, 04:48 PM
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I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
I've been trying to wrap my head around this no acknowledgement thing.
The way I see it if we have a 13 hour long call then how often you have to check your schedule (or your voicemail, texts, e-mail or whatever you prefer) is going to depend entirely on where you are.
If you are packed and ready to go and you are one hour from the airport then you could turn your phone off for 12 hours. As long as when you do check, you can get there in one hour.
You would only need to check every 3 hours if you were 10 hours away.
Bottom line is they no longer care if you acknowledge. There's not going to be any acknowledging. You just have to get there within 13 hours of their first attempted call. How you do it is your business.
Not sure if I like that or not. Still mulling. It certainly is different.
Somebody was thinking outside the box.
It would be quite a leap for Delta to sanction passive notification vs positive acknowledgment.
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