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I don't think you're missing the point. I think you are smarter than that. I believe you are intentionally ignoring the fact that the issue is not whether you or I or any other pilot is savvy or senior enough to avoid contractual loopholes that the company inserts in our PWA.

The issue is why do we continue to allow any loopholes in ADG, reroute pay, etc... We need to protect ALL pilots, not just the senior ones who can bid to avoid the screw job. Your opinion may differ.

DLpilot

We have a lot of 4 day trips on the 88 with 30 hour layovers now. These are usually worth 18 to 20 hours.

OceanCrosser

News regarding Steve Rothmeier. No matter what you thought of him, age 67 is much to young to die.

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Scoop

Makes sense. We have them on the 737 also, and I guess the more I think about it the more I see the value in it.

But I remain a little skeptical of possibly seeing a lot of the 30 hour layovers going away (think CDO rumor) and the credit time in trips going way down so that the value of the 5:15 gets diluted via mostly hard time trips. Thus I really would have liked to see the 5:15 bumped up to 5:30 but maybe that is not in the cards.

It seems the company stays a few moves ahead of us in these type of deals.

Scoop

Alan Shore

Agreed. I guess the question then is whether an exception to a rule is put there to "screw" some number of pilots or as a deliberate and/or logical circumstance under which the rule would not apply.

As an example, it was explained to me in C2K that the circumstance outside the control of the Company exception was a deliberate part of the overall negotiation in which we went from unlimited reroutes with no premium pay so long as you did not touch your base, to the system we have now where you can go through your base but you get reroute pay if the Company chooses to keep you out longer than originally scheduled.

Not intended to screw anyone, but rather to provide a financial disincentive for the Company to keep you out longer than necessary. If your airport is closed, then there is no physical way to get you back, and no amount of reroute pay will change that.

hoserpilot

I had almost 9 years at a regional and I never flew a stand up. They ALWAYS went senior.

newKnow

What's the word on the 12 hour long call?

hockeypilot44

DPA is dead. Even if they were voted in, they would not perform any better. This idea needs to go away. It is hurting all of us.

DLpilot

If you were at ASA then you would also note that you had line of time bidding. The lines were pure nap lines. You only had to fly 30 hours and still got paid a 75 hour guarantee. Plus you got extra for underblock on top of guarantee. It is a totally different scenario with PBS. Training always screws up my PBS bid so I can only imagine what a CDO would do.

Dash8widget

For throwing the reserve pilots under the bus? No. Don't get me wrong, 5:15 ADG would be great, but changing the contractual 9 hour leash to 3 would be a major concession IMHO.