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Old 05-08-2014, 05:40 PM
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Does anyone think that the flow ups were a management experiment to see whether or not they could feed main line when military applicants got skinny. Yes, no.
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Old 05-08-2014, 05:42 PM
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Does anyone think that the flow ups were a management experiment to see whether or not they could feed main line when military applicants got skinny. Yes, no.
No, I believe NWA ALPA wanted it for the Flow Down language in the event of a furlough. Since it was a part of the BK contract that was what they negotiate for the scope relief.
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Old 05-08-2014, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You obviously haven't been to JFK T4 have you?
No kidding. The most overpriced, unhealthy garbage in the system. Be nice to have a CIBO buffet or a trendy "Lemonade" like LAX.
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Old 05-08-2014, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
I'm with T on this...I just listened to a bevy DAL leaders speak on different aspects of where DAL is going. One of the nuggets I took away was that the 777 doesn't seem to fit anywhere in DAL's future route network. Said another way, the "powers that be" like right sizing a/c to range and capabilities...the 777 doesn't seem to be doing anything another fleet or a/c type could be doing now....ie 330's.
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Nothing else can fly ATL-Dubai and Johannesburg, or any other 15-17hr. legs, with 50,000lbs. cargo and reserve fuel. The problem is, there just aren't too many routes that require 15-17 hour flights, and new 777's are very expensive.

The big Airbus is quite a bit cheaper and holds more people. Shorter range, less cargo, but as I said, there just are not too many destinations in Delta's network that require 777 range.

They are now reconfiguring the 777's to eliminate 8 lie flat seats and add 22 Economy Comfort seats, for a total capacity of 291 pax.

The 777-300ER is supposed to haul more cargo than a 747, but they are very expensive and Delta got out of the cargo business a long time ago.
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:03 PM
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No money in cargo, anyway.

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Old 05-08-2014, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
uh huh... sure. Let's bet the farm on that.
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The problem is, there just aren't too many routes that require 15-17 hour flights, and new 777's are very expensive.
...and this was the nugget I took away from their comments. There isn't a need for the capabilities and expense of a 777. Now if they could get the cheap this could change.
There seems to be or soon will be much more shuffling of fleets on routes, not only seasonally but possibly days of the week.
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:07 PM
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I don't understand why every big European airline can fly 777's and 747's (or A380's) to Europe. But it's not in our DNA.
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I don't understand why every big European airline can fly 777's and 747's (or A380's) to Europe. But it's not in our DNA.
Is in our joint venture DNA...
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Old 05-08-2014, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
No money in cargo, anyway.

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Old 05-08-2014, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I don't understand why every big European airline can fly 777's and 747's (or A380's) to Europe. But it's not in our DNA.
Ummmmm. Because they have much lower unit acquisition costs than we do.


Thanks Ex-Im bank, U.S. Government, and Boeing.

This is also a major reason while we will see a 330 before a 777, a 350 before a 787, etc, etc.
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