Alan Shore

I agree that we are more productive under C2012 to the tune of 1-2 fewer pilots required per category, due to the 30-day summer bid periods and the wider ALV swing. That said:

Certainly the biggest one. It gives each pilot two fewer days off in the summer months.

To be more accurate, he may be assigned more flying until he is full. The point at which a reserve pilot is full, however, did not go up. Rather, it is now lower in a month in which he has a known absence such as CQ training, vacation, etc.

Again, in return for the higher guarantee. FWIW, we had six short calls at Delta since 2001.

Not quite. They do not have to be quite so overstaffed in the lean months as before, but they still must carry some extra. The silver lining in that is that a pilot who is on the bubble of being able to hold a regular line will often now be able to do so, rather than being forced to reserve each winter.

shiznit

I didn't like the 31/30 change, it was a concession that was traded for something else within the reserve system that was a benefit to the pilot group.

Bold is incorrect.

Under C2012, you are "Full" when you reach res. Guar...usually ALV-2:00 (or even less)

Before C2012, you were "Full" when you reached ALV or were within 2:00 of ALV because of DPM of 2:00.

Training did nothing fill up faster and lower your "Full" limit prior to C2012. Now it has a direct impact by lowering your "Full" and also replacing reserve days instead of pro-rating them. That means at least 2 extra days off each year.

Old PWA:
Res pay 70:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00.

New PWA:
Res Pay 72:00-80:00
Full when within ALV minus 2:00-4:00

There is some myth out there that reserve pilots were done at 70:00 prior to the new PWA. That is not the case... Reserves were PAID 70:00 unless they flew above that up to the ALV.

Now: Reserves are paid 2-10 hours MORE than that whether they credit above 70:00 or not and they get up to 2 more true days off per month.

Reserve being a "massive concession" just isn't true. It is significantly better under the new PWA.

Purple Drank

Thanks for the standard does of tsaquare condescension.

I'm not looking for sympathy.

I'm asking you to acknowledge that C12 has caused a decrease in QOL.

Bucking Bar

Is that why it is raining?

LivingTheDream

I thought we all knew we were getting into a seniority based system. I agree to a small leveling of the good deals (ie., all offered 1 gs before a second gs is offered).

But seriously, now we want to level the time awarded? Where shall we end this socialism... we take turns flying the 777 or how about we take turns flying Christmas.

Uh, no thanks. Since it took me 26yrs and commuting to another base to finally get some seniority, I'll vote for the current system. (Which requires one to read, understand and know one's contract to reap maximum benefits.)

As far as gs's, put in your parameters and take your chances.

Good luck.

RetiredFTS

There's probably quite a few of us unable to GS (because we choose to commute) and look at both scenarios as goldmines. One's timing (perfect or poor) comes into play throughout this profession and not every instance can be managed with a fix to make a more fair system. Let's not waste negotiating capital in trying to make the GS system more fair; I'm sure other areas of the PWA could use those efforts.

FTS

tsquare

I would if it were true. Again, if the reduction in QOL is a result of you actually having to work, then I will reluctantly agree, to a point, but it is not as a result of the contract itself but rather the company's being more efficient with reserve utilization. Sorry that you are actually having to work as a reserve pilot. Make it more lucrative, and senior guys will bid it. (Another reason to get holiday pay also.)


A big problem I see with the reserve system is that the company has the luxury to use reserves from any base to cover any other bases' flying without penalty. If you are a lineholder in a category that is thin on reserves, too bad for you because you are unable to drop trips. The company on the other hand can cover your bases' trips with a reserve from a fat category with no penalty. And spare me the manning formula garbage... (not you PD). What should happen is that in any given category, all reserves from (let's say) east of the Mississippi should count for reserve availability for all bases east of the Mississippi. Example: If any NY category is even, and Atlanta is over, the NY pilots should be able to drop based on that overage. IOW, we should be able to take advantage of the company's flexibility also. I'll make a lot of noise about this in the upcoming negotiations....

tsquare

Thanks for this... I thought it was just me that didn't like the proposal.

PilotFrog

If you get a one day GS that blocks say 4:30 do you get 9 hrs or 10:30?

Denny Crane

Regular or reserve? What does the total say on the TL line of the rotation? What ever that number is will be double pay for regular and single pay above the reserve guarantee for reserve with the day off paid back.

Denny