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Old 04-24-2014, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
George's numbers are a pipe dream. (And I think his fuel consumption numbers are suspect) You can make a similar argument for those Air India 777s. (And that won't add yet another type to the fleet). But whatever. I'll believe it if I see it.

George is a pretty solid poster with a great track record, but nothing wrong with being skeptical. Believing it when you see it is always a good policy.

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Old 04-24-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
He said it burns more than a 777. But the added bonus WOULD be that since it is a common category we would need fewer pilots.
Reference comments made in a certain published notes about bridge aircraft. Common type with 330, very short differences course for current 330 pilots if flown as common category, TVM of a cheap acquisition for short term (<10 yrs) makes up for a lot of other factors, and excellent metrics for long haul capacity. 840K MTOW, 375 dual class, 7900nm range for damn near free? That buys a lot of gas and creates a lot of revenue and the aircraft are still very comfy and would sync with other Airbus WB customer premium expectations easily. Recall RA is very fond of used proven airframes at bargain prices. We need added long haul capacity yesterday.

What would your opinion be of biting off on a common category with the 330 to streamline the acquisition and training costs to quickly get close to 20 additional WB's in the fleet and the benefit to the pilot group?
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
George's numbers are a pipe dream. (And I think his fuel consumption numbers are suspect) You can make a similar argument for those Air India 777s. (And that won't add yet another type to the fleet). But whatever. I'll believe it if I see it.
LOL,
You give me way too much credit, they aren't my numbers, but you knew that...

Maybe we can, just for you T, keep this slogan on the tail of one of them:



;-)

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Old 04-24-2014, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Reference comments made in a certain published notes about bridge aircraft. Common type with 330, very short differences course for current 330 pilots if flown as common category, TVM of a cheap acquisition for short term (<10 yrs) makes up for a lot of other factors, and excellent metrics for long haul capacity. 840K MTOW, 375 dual class, 7900nm range for damn near free? That buys a lot of gas and creates a lot of revenue and the aircraft are still very comfy and would sync with other Airbus WB customer premium expectations easily. Recall RA is very fond of used proven airframes at bargain prices. We need added long haul capacity yesterday.
Ding Ding Ding

Bridge aircraft to get to the next gen aircraft in the pipeline without being the guinea pig.

Not to mention this is a networks guy's wet dream to have a small, medium and large like-type available to sharpshoot capacity...

ah never mind...it's not a Boeing ;-)

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Old 04-24-2014, 02:40 PM
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Would the A340 be a common category with her little sister? That could put some icing on the cake for RA.
For what it's worth, my license only shows A330 while it shows both B757/767. I am sure a short transition course would suffice however.
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Yes, it would certainly be a common category. And might I add, the A346 is one good looking machine.
doesnt the sim already say A340?
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doesnt the sim already say A340?
I did "bounces" down at the Airbus facility in Miami once, and their sim was both. It was just a quick few minutes for the MX guys to swap out 2 for 4 thrust levers and away ya went.

Sounds like it would be an easy transition.......BUT WHEREZ THE BUNK????
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Old 04-24-2014, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
ah never mind...it's not a Boeing ;-)
... and then there's that.
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Old 04-24-2014, 04:35 PM
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Check your time card, lots of people are having trips disappear. scheduling is well aware of the issue, been fielding calls all day they said.
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Reference comments made in a certain published notes about bridge aircraft. Common type with 330, very short differences course for current 330 pilots if flown as common category, TVM of a cheap acquisition for short term (<10 yrs) makes up for a lot of other factors, and excellent metrics for long haul capacity. 840K MTOW, 375 dual class, 7900nm range for damn near free? That buys a lot of gas and creates a lot of revenue and the aircraft are still very comfy and would sync with other Airbus WB customer premium expectations easily. Recall RA is very fond of used proven airframes at bargain prices. We need added long haul capacity yesterday.

What would your opinion be of biting off on a common category with the 330 to streamline the acquisition and training costs to quickly get close to 20 additional WB's in the fleet and the benefit to the pilot group?
True, but we needed pilots yesterday too. As much as I'd like to see something like this, I think Delta is already behind the power curve on hiring/training. Adding those kind of positions at the top of the food chain would exacerbate the problem.

Still, it's like that time in between buying a lottery ticket and when they announce the numbers. I can fantasize about the future.
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