Originally Posted by gloopy

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by crewdawg52

Me thinks 80 is on resv next month (2 May), so he's unable to WS or pick up that 2 dayer.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Okay, here is a question for contract guru's. Say I have 2 payback days in the bank. I bid a regular line with a 4 day trip that is worth 12 hours on day one. I use one payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) and get paid for the 12 hours.

Now the question: Can I white slip that same trip and then use my second payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) again and get paid for it? Thus getting 24 hours for 2 payback days.

Oh, and then green slip over those days?

Denny

Originally Posted by gloopy

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Okay, here is a question for contract guru's. Say I have 2 payback days in the bank. I bid a regular line with a 4 day trip that is worth 12 hours on day one. I use one payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) and get paid for the 12 hours.

Now the question: Can I white slip that same trip and then use my second payback day to drop the 12 hour day (and the trip) again and get paid for it? Thus getting 24 hours for 2 payback days.

Oh, and then green slip over those days?

Denny

Originally Posted by scambo1

Yes. That's why it's soooo sweet. Obtw, you can whiteslip the trip and use your 2nd payback day to drop it again. That's what I was trying to splain youz guys 2 months ago.

Originally Posted by gloopy

I think the difference is doing it out of fear or reprisal when you otherwise would be getting uninterrupted rest for up to 9 hours like the long established status quo. Checking or not checking immediately are IAW the PWA, but checking by force and fear because of management threats and an atempted contract rewrite fantasy memo against doing the other 100% legal IAW the contract option is the issue.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Thanks scambo. I thought it might be doable.

Now, what happens if I have 14 payback days.......

Denny