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04-19-2014, 06:57 AM

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RonRicco

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

If we win long call would exist only on a strictly volunteer basis. The company lawyers feel they have grounds to prevail. I don't feel that is the case but there is a chance they could win. Call your reps for details.

And I have been around long enough to know that because something appears to be a slam dunk, it doesn't mean it will turn out that way. One only has to look back at a couple of our vacation grievances, AA's hard clad language with regard to their seniority list vs American Eagle flying as examples.

It seems like a lot of the neutrals tend to avoid extreme decisions in cases like these and I could see him splitting the baby somehow. An example would be the furlough grievance. Yes, they had to recall but only 10 a month.

04-19-2014, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

This is starting to sound like a case of "be careful what you ask for". If what you say is true, then our reserve will be like American's, meaning all reserves are on short call. That sucks. period.

Who would then be the "volunteer"? The pilot, or the company?

We have a limit of 6 or 7 shortcalls a month. That would not change. Once a reserve was out in the system however I would expect the company would keep him out there via reroutes for a long time.

The pilot would have to acknowledge a long call assignment 10 hours prior to be legal for the trip. That would be voluntary per the contract.

04-19-2014, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

. Once a reserve was out in the system however I would expect the company would keep him out there via reroutes for a long time.

I bet the company is gunning hard to increase the 3 days minimum on-call period in domestic categories, for exactly this reason.

If the company wants to run reserves via reroute, It would certainly be cumbersome for crew tracking to ensure a domestic guy stays out of his base to avoid having to release him...

04-19-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SierraWhiskey

Stupid question for those of you with higher math skills! Do you audit your pay stubs? If so, can you explain to me what I'm missing when I add up my (Pretax Ins & 401K + Taxes + Deductions) - (Gross Earnings) = Does not equal my direct deposit. What am I missing? Thanks in advance.

LIFETXVAL = imputed income for company paid life insurance.

I don't think that's included in Gross Earnings, so it throws off the math.

04-19-2014, 07:40 AM

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tsquare

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Interesting. So if a pilot does NOT acknowledge a trip, he is not legal for it. Why would any LC reserve ever acknowledge any trip then? If this is about not being called within the 10 hours prior, it seems as if LC reserve is a license to sit home and do nothing, while watching the SC reserves get rerouted. The only problem there is that you cannot be rerouted infdefinitely, so the net result would be a need for vastly more reserves, and keeping as many as possible on SC. It's a math problem at this point. This will have a lot of value in an upcoming section 6 I would think....

To be truthful, I don't think this is going to have a good outcome. I still think we should be careful for what we are asking.....

04-19-2014, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

If the company wants to run reserves via reroute, It would certainly be cumbersome for crew tracking to ensure a domestic guy stays out of his base to avoid having to release him...

Depends on the base. In NY, we never go back thru until the end of the trip. (in the ER category anyway) But for most of the NB categories especially in ATL/DTW, you are probably right.

04-19-2014, 07:56 AM

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LIFETXVAL = imputed income for company paid life insurance.

I don't think that's included in Gross Earnings, so it throws off the math.

That was it...Thank you.

04-19-2014, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

I'm missing something and would like to catch up to the conversation.
Why do you say all reserves would be on short call?

04-19-2014, 08:18 AM

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Depends on the base. In NY, we never go back thru until the end of the trip. (in the ER category anyway) But for most of the NB categories especially in ATL/DTW, you are probably right.

We've got a lovely trip now where on day 2 we fly BOS-JFK-SFO, for 8:03 flight time.

When you level off at cruise on the second leg and see that you still have 5 plus hours to go, you think to yourself, "I sure am glad we did that BOS-JFK flight." (No. Not really.)

04-19-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

I'm missing something and would like to catch up to the conversation.
Why do you say all reserves would be on short call?

Sailing was saying that long call would be "voluntary" if we win this negotiation/grievance. I'll go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure the company wouldn't want that. OK.. he says that we are only allowed 6/7 SCs/month. I would think you could pretty much count on 7 if this goes thru as he is saying. The company would then want more in the next contract, or we would have to provide some methodology to ensure that LC reserve is not "voluntary". At this point, I do not know enough about the intricacies about this, but it seems that sans relief on the "voluntary" aspect of this, we are gonna see lots more SCs....