When I was at CP I consistently advocating recapturing that flying whether I came with it or not, though a scenario where the Compass pilots were stapled would have been obviously preferred. My views haven't changed in that regard, and I will say that I think any scope recapture scenario today would likely *only* work with bringing the pilots over. The majors currently have their plates full hiring just for retirements. Bringing the pilots flying the feed onto the mainline list and contract, temporarily (or permanently) keeping the flying on a separate certificate, would ensure the feed is staffed, unify the regional & mainline pilots, and give the regional pilots an upward career path that would justify a staple.

04-15-2014, 09:43 AM

#153962

nwaf16dude

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2008

Position: 737A

Posts: 1,890

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot

We had the opportunity to recapture that flying during our last contract but gave management 70 new 76 seaters instead for 4/8/3/3. And we'll do the same on this contract if given the choice. We'll never see RJ's at mainline. That ship has sailed.

Question for anyone, no hidden meanings here, just an honest question...how many of the additional 70 has the company actually ordered/taken delivery of? Of course I assume that they will eventually get all 70.

04-15-2014, 09:44 AM

#153963

Jughead

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Joined APC: Dec 2007

Position: ATL717A

Posts: 890

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

The May Capt. bids are available via the backdoor.

Now the front door is open for the straight-laced Captain.

04-15-2014, 09:45 AM

#153964

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: Light Chop

Posts: 23,286

Met another APCer.

04-15-2014, 10:08 AM

#153965

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: Light Chop

Posts: 23,286

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead

Now the front door is open for the straight-laced Captain.

by rule you now have to incorporate a UsAir twitter/777 joke.

04-15-2014, 10:14 AM

#153966

LeineLodge

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Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: DAL FO

Posts: 2,169

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

by rule you now have to incorporate a UsAir twitter/777 joke.

One of the better ones I've seen:

"Well folks, looks like our gate's occupied. We're currently working with our company to see if they'll let us park at gate #2, which as you can see, is currently unoccupied"

04-15-2014, 10:43 AM

#153967

sinca3

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Joined APC: Apr 2009

Posts: 917

Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Met another APCer.

I might have had a FTB sighting yesterday in B concourse. I tied to throw the APC wave, but you had a phone glued to your ear and the hot blond behind you would have slapped the $hit out of me if she saw it!

04-15-2014, 11:02 AM

#153968

Purple Drank

Straight QOL, homie

Joined APC: Feb 2012

Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator

Posts: 4,202

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleBus

When I was at CP

May I ask how long ago you were at CP?

04-15-2014, 12:27 PM

#153969

Starcheck102

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Joined APC: Aug 2012

Position: ATL 7ER A

Posts: 308

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleBus

First off, the E170/175/CRJ900 airplanes are not RJs. Management doesn't consider them RJs. They regularly refer to them as mainline-class. So, as a preliminary step towards recapturing DC9/733 flying, I suggest we stop giving them the same label as CR2s rapidly headed to the desert.

Secondly, a few things have changed from a few years ago, both within DALPA and within the regional airline industry. I wasn't happy about the scope tradeoff in C2012 and argued vigorously at the time that it was throwing a lifeline to the DCI outsourcing scheme. The inability to staff DCI may be about to render that lifeline moot. Either DAL is going to have to greatly increase what they pay for feed to make sure the OJs (Outsourced Jets) get staffed, or pay basically the same thing to have mainline fly it and take control of their product. I think our union leaders should be nudging them in the latter direction.

Not happy about the scope tradeoff? C2012 was the first contract to move block hours from DCI to mainline, with mainline fleet expansion as the trigger event, and for a smaller fleet with fewer total seats at DCI.

C2012 moved jobs from DCI to mainline, and you just came onto the property this year, didn't you? Maybe there is a connection in there.

And don't be in a rush to solve management's problems. Let them come to us, with their checkbooks out and a box of new pens. We have a negotiated rate for those regional jets, after all. Let them talk uphill for a change; if qualified pilots become a rare commodity, I am sure that DAL will try to corner the market.

Growth at mainline is always good - at least you got that right.

04-15-2014, 12:38 PM

#153970

Cohiba

Line Holder

Joined APC: Jul 2009

Posts: 96

I just had a little eye opener. I've been sitting RES for last 4 months voluntarily. With 117 rules it was a no brainer. I was getting short on the recency and decided fill out the trip buy over going to the sim. I put in for a specific trip and they said no but assigned a 4 day PHX all-nighter. Not a great trip but I have family in PHX and the food is good. I get my March pay statement and find they didn't pay anything for the trip buy and somehow I ended up with less than the Reserve Guarantee. In talking with a supervisor, he says yes there's a mistake. I should've been paid 3:45 total regardless of the number duty periods I flew on the trip buy. It's in the Contract: 11.B.3.... Ouch...bottom line...never do a trip buy the sim pays 3:45 too.