Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-15-2014, 03:15 AM
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First off, the E170/175/CRJ900 airplanes are not RJs. Management doesn't consider them RJs. They regularly refer to them as mainline-class. So, as a preliminary step towards recapturing DC9/733 flying, I suggest we stop giving them the same label as CR2s rapidly headed to the desert.
Secondly, a few things have changed from a few years ago, both within DALPA and within the regional airline industry. I wasn't happy about the scope tradeoff in C2012 and argued vigorously at the time that it was throwing a lifeline to the DCI outsourcing scheme. The inability to staff DCI may be about to render that lifeline moot. Either DAL is going to have to greatly increase what they pay for feed to make sure the OJs (Outsourced Jets) get staffed, or pay basically the same thing to have mainline fly it and take control of their product. I think our union leaders should be nudging them in the latter direction.
Secondly, a few things have changed from a few years ago, both within DALPA and within the regional airline industry. I wasn't happy about the scope tradeoff in C2012 and argued vigorously at the time that it was throwing a lifeline to the DCI outsourcing scheme. The inability to staff DCI may be about to render that lifeline moot. Either DAL is going to have to greatly increase what they pay for feed to make sure the OJs (Outsourced Jets) get staffed, or pay basically the same thing to have mainline fly it and take control of their product. I think our union leaders should be nudging them in the latter direction.
Endeavor Air announced plans to hire 400 pilots this year (so far they have hired ~15) to staff the CRJ 200s that were supposed to go to the desert, but now there not, but they will, well maybe not if we can staff them!?! The biggest problem Delta/Endeavor has is they can't find anyone who wants to fly a shinny little CRJ200/900 for 20,000 dollars a year. So Delta's next move will be interesting to say the least.
04-15-2014, 03:30 AM
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First off, the E170/175/CRJ900 airplanes are not RJs. Management doesn't consider them RJs. They regularly refer to them as mainline-class. So, as a preliminary step towards recapturing DC9/733 flying, I suggest we stop giving them the same label as CR2s rapidly headed to the desert.
Secondly, a few things have changed from a few years ago, both within DALPA and within the regional airline industry. I wasn't happy about the scope tradeoff in C2012 and argued vigorously at the time that it was throwing a lifeline to the DCI outsourcing scheme. The inability to staff DCI may be about to render that lifeline moot. Either DAL is going to have to greatly increase what they pay for feed to make sure the OJs (Outsourced Jets) get staffed, or pay basically the same thing to have mainline fly it and take control of their product. I think our union leaders should be nudging them in the latter direction.
Secondly, a few things have changed from a few years ago, both within DALPA and within the regional airline industry. I wasn't happy about the scope tradeoff in C2012 and argued vigorously at the time that it was throwing a lifeline to the DCI outsourcing scheme. The inability to staff DCI may be about to render that lifeline moot. Either DAL is going to have to greatly increase what they pay for feed to make sure the OJs (Outsourced Jets) get staffed, or pay basically the same thing to have mainline fly it and take control of their product. I think our union leaders should be nudging them in the latter direction.
04-15-2014, 03:50 AM
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04-15-2014, 04:57 AM
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04-15-2014, 05:02 AM
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This is pretty cool...
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
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04-15-2014, 05:59 AM
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This is pretty cool...
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
04-15-2014, 06:15 AM
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04-15-2014, 06:17 AM
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Hey Timbo,
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?
Hope you are doing well.
OC
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?
Hope you are doing well.
OC
04-15-2014, 06:47 AM
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Delta management is smart and buying Pinnacle was part of their plan to whipsaw the other DCI carriers and reset the DCI pay scales, all while insuring their feed was not disrupted. This might have worked 5-10 years ago, but like you've said, their has been tremendous change in just two years. Delta has spent hundreds of millions on their "experiment" and now the other DCI carriers are not falling into place like they had planned. But, from what I know of Delta management, I guarantee they already have another plan in place.
Endeavor Air announced plans to hire 400 pilots this year (so far they have hired ~15) to staff the CRJ 200s that were supposed to go to the desert, but now there not, but they will, well maybe not if we can staff them!?! The biggest problem Delta/Endeavor has is they can't find anyone who wants to fly a shinny little CRJ200/900 for 20,000 dollars a year. So Delta's next move will be interesting to say the least.
Endeavor Air announced plans to hire 400 pilots this year (so far they have hired ~15) to staff the CRJ 200s that were supposed to go to the desert, but now there not, but they will, well maybe not if we can staff them!?! The biggest problem Delta/Endeavor has is they can't find anyone who wants to fly a shinny little CRJ200/900 for 20,000 dollars a year. So Delta's next move will be interesting to say the least.
You are correct - this management team is much better than many of the recent teams. Management used to spend billions on their "experiments" now according to the above post they are down to only "hundreds of millions."
Seriously though, I agree this management team is much better than the Ron/Leo/Fred/Grinstein crowd, but then again those guys set the bar so low Elmer Fudd would have been an improvement.
Scoop
04-15-2014, 06:50 AM
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If you say so. I would say that you have already backed off your position that USAir "ruined" America West--after given the facts; and given a few more (which someone might be able to provide since their "wife is an eastie") your post could be seen as completely wrong.
…but I would never do such a thing to someone hiding behind such an insightful, unifying screen name. Guess Delta ruined NW as well, huh?
…but I would never do such a thing to someone hiding behind such an insightful, unifying screen name. Guess Delta ruined NW as well, huh?
Nerd/Brakechatter,
I don't have a dog in this hunt but I would think that you would both agree that "Airlines" don't really ruin other "Airlines" but rather that management ruins airlines.
Scoop
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