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04-07-2014, 04:00 AM
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04-07-2014, 04:25 AM
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04-07-2014, 04:42 AM
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04-07-2014, 04:55 AM
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04-07-2014, 05:24 AM
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04-07-2014, 06:16 AM
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04-07-2014, 06:27 AM
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ALPA appears to be doing a good job raising awareness of the threat that the NAI scheme poses to the US Airline industry.
ALPA is presenting this whole issue as potentially having dire consequences for our industry and I agree wholeheartedly.
My questions is how far should APLA go in opposing this threat?
It would seem to me that if this plan were to come to fruition the US Airline Industry will slowly but surely follow the US Maritime Industry into oblivion. This is exactly the case that APLA makes and once again I agree.
ALPA is off to a good start with a lot of Senators and Congressmen lining up against the bill, but what if that is not enough? What if the right $$$$ grease the palms of the wrong hand and this whole deal goes through?
Since ALPA is saying it would basically doom us why not pull out all the stops and make a statement to the affect of "If NAI is allowed to go through with their 3 card Monty plan of international air service ALPA will call for a Nationwide Airline Pilot Strike."
Granted this is an extreme measure, but ALPA is the one saying this will doom our industry. Most US Pilots would be negatively affected. Any Pilot under 50 will be greatly affected. Pilots under 40 better find the phone number to that fictional Truck driver school that Goose mentions in TOPGUN, and guys just starting out......Fuhgeddaboutit. I mean how people do you know that work in the US Maritime industry?
Think about the spotlight an pronouncement like that would shine on the NAI scheme. It would provide fodder for insatiable 24/7 news networks and hopefully the result would be to put an end to this potential fiasco once and for all. The actual strike may not even have to be called for but perhaps just discussed and planned etc. Then again if the alternative is the end of the US Airline industry as we know it, why not?
Anyway, food for thought.
Scoop
ALPA is presenting this whole issue as potentially having dire consequences for our industry and I agree wholeheartedly.
My questions is how far should APLA go in opposing this threat?
It would seem to me that if this plan were to come to fruition the US Airline Industry will slowly but surely follow the US Maritime Industry into oblivion. This is exactly the case that APLA makes and once again I agree.
ALPA is off to a good start with a lot of Senators and Congressmen lining up against the bill, but what if that is not enough? What if the right $$$$ grease the palms of the wrong hand and this whole deal goes through?
Since ALPA is saying it would basically doom us why not pull out all the stops and make a statement to the affect of "If NAI is allowed to go through with their 3 card Monty plan of international air service ALPA will call for a Nationwide Airline Pilot Strike."
Granted this is an extreme measure, but ALPA is the one saying this will doom our industry. Most US Pilots would be negatively affected. Any Pilot under 50 will be greatly affected. Pilots under 40 better find the phone number to that fictional Truck driver school that Goose mentions in TOPGUN, and guys just starting out......Fuhgeddaboutit. I mean how people do you know that work in the US Maritime industry?
Think about the spotlight an pronouncement like that would shine on the NAI scheme. It would provide fodder for insatiable 24/7 news networks and hopefully the result would be to put an end to this potential fiasco once and for all. The actual strike may not even have to be called for but perhaps just discussed and planned etc. Then again if the alternative is the end of the US Airline industry as we know it, why not?
Anyway, food for thought.
Scoop
04-07-2014, 06:36 AM
Can't abide NAI
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I support a nationwide SOS and would guess this might even have the support of some airline management teams. The legacy carriers would probably shut down their express operations (outsourced) too.
If asked to evaluate this for ALPA, a guy would have to figure out how much UNITY ALPA has, and my guess is, not much. What moral authority does ALPA have to stand up to outsourcing when in fact, ALPA facilitates more outsourcing than any single airline operator on the planet?
ALPA can not successfully play it both ways. Do we stand together, or not? If we stand together, then why did our President sign the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement? Why as MEC Chairman did he work to divest Compass from his MEC? Why is recovering work to the branded carriers not even a consideration?*
Our argument against outsourcing 787's falls flat when we have contracts which permit half of our 737 work to be performed elsewhere. If we want to protect jobs, then we should protect all ALPA jobs and then our protectionist chords would ring loudly with our core values. As is, our instrument is not tuned in a resonant key. That is why we have such low participation rates and DPA pushes. The tunes we play don't make sense and people tune out.
We could do better to understand UNITY on a fundamental level. I would recommend against this course of action until we get our collective head straight. A SOS to protect international widebody flying smacks of protecting the elites while we sell our children, and as such has an identical political smell as a pro-Apartheid movement would.
* Not including instances where management wants to return flying to their mainline operation.
If asked to evaluate this for ALPA, a guy would have to figure out how much UNITY ALPA has, and my guess is, not much. What moral authority does ALPA have to stand up to outsourcing when in fact, ALPA facilitates more outsourcing than any single airline operator on the planet?
ALPA can not successfully play it both ways. Do we stand together, or not? If we stand together, then why did our President sign the Pinnacle Bridge Agreement? Why as MEC Chairman did he work to divest Compass from his MEC? Why is recovering work to the branded carriers not even a consideration?*
Our argument against outsourcing 787's falls flat when we have contracts which permit half of our 737 work to be performed elsewhere. If we want to protect jobs, then we should protect all ALPA jobs and then our protectionist chords would ring loudly with our core values. As is, our instrument is not tuned in a resonant key. That is why we have such low participation rates and DPA pushes. The tunes we play don't make sense and people tune out.
We could do better to understand UNITY on a fundamental level. I would recommend against this course of action until we get our collective head straight. A SOS to protect international widebody flying smacks of protecting the elites while we sell our children, and as such has an identical political smell as a pro-Apartheid movement would.
* Not including instances where management wants to return flying to their mainline operation.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 04-07-2014 at 07:21 AM.
04-07-2014, 07:18 AM
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ALPA appears to be doing a good job raising awareness of the threat that the NAI scheme poses to the US Airline industry.
ALPA is presenting this whole issue as potentially having dire consequences for our industry and I agree wholeheartedly.
My questions is how far should APLA go in opposing this threat?
It would seem to me that if this plan were to come to fruition the US Airline Industry will slowly but surely follow the US Maritime Industry into oblivion. This is exactly the case that APLA makes and once again I agree.
ALPA is off to a good start with a lot of Senators and Congressmen lining up against the bill, but what if that is not enough? What if the right $$$$ grease the palms of the wrong hand and this whole deal goes through?
Since ALPA is saying it would basically doom us why not pull out all the stops and make a statement to the affect of "If NAI is allowed to go through with their 3 card Monty plan of international air service ALPA will call for a Nationwide Airline Pilot Strike."
Granted this is an extreme measure, but ALPA is the one saying this will doom our industry. Most US Pilots would be negatively affected. Any Pilot under 50 will be greatly affected. Pilots under 40 better find the phone number to that fictional Truck driver school that Goose mentions in TOPGUN, and guys just starting out......Fuhgeddaboutit. I mean how people do you know that work in the US Maritime industry?
Think about the spotlight an pronouncement like that would shine on the NAI scheme. It would provide fodder for insatiable 24/7 news networks and hopefully the result would be to put an end to this potential fiasco once and for all. The actual strike may not even have to be called for but perhaps just discussed and planned etc. Then again if the alternative is the end of the US Airline industry as we know it, why not?
Anyway, food for thought.
Scoop
ALPA is presenting this whole issue as potentially having dire consequences for our industry and I agree wholeheartedly.
My questions is how far should APLA go in opposing this threat?
It would seem to me that if this plan were to come to fruition the US Airline Industry will slowly but surely follow the US Maritime Industry into oblivion. This is exactly the case that APLA makes and once again I agree.
ALPA is off to a good start with a lot of Senators and Congressmen lining up against the bill, but what if that is not enough? What if the right $$$$ grease the palms of the wrong hand and this whole deal goes through?
Since ALPA is saying it would basically doom us why not pull out all the stops and make a statement to the affect of "If NAI is allowed to go through with their 3 card Monty plan of international air service ALPA will call for a Nationwide Airline Pilot Strike."
Granted this is an extreme measure, but ALPA is the one saying this will doom our industry. Most US Pilots would be negatively affected. Any Pilot under 50 will be greatly affected. Pilots under 40 better find the phone number to that fictional Truck driver school that Goose mentions in TOPGUN, and guys just starting out......Fuhgeddaboutit. I mean how people do you know that work in the US Maritime industry?
Think about the spotlight an pronouncement like that would shine on the NAI scheme. It would provide fodder for insatiable 24/7 news networks and hopefully the result would be to put an end to this potential fiasco once and for all. The actual strike may not even have to be called for but perhaps just discussed and planned etc. Then again if the alternative is the end of the US Airline industry as we know it, why not?
Anyway, food for thought.
Scoop
04-07-2014, 07:25 AM
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Wear your hat in the pilot lounge (or other places no one wears their hat, ie. crew van, bathroom, cockpit, etc). Other APCer suspects you're a poster and asks if you're on the forum. You respond 'penthouse' or 'facepunch'? With the i.d. acknowledged, you'll be free to exchange the same riveting info passed around here, only enhanced (possibly) by face to face.
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