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Old 04-01-2014, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
We have 74 767-300's, and 16 747's. The press release states we are looking to get 'up to 50' widebody aircraft to replace the 767's and 747's. I went to public school and suck at word problems, but that sounds like a net loss of airframes.
To quote Delta, this order is to begin the replacement process. I am comfortable that more aircraft will be ordered as needed. The last ER is currently still planned to be in the fleet in 2027.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Pretty much covers all the widebodies doesn't it? My wager is that IF.. it is the 350s, we won't see any until at least 2018. Hell I'll make that wager if it is ANY of the above.... Purpledrink is gonna have a great career.. you and I.. not so much.

Edit: Just read the release. Notice that it is an RFP to replace the 747s.... a "bigger" airplane. Neither the 330 or 787 pay as much. Just sayin' I guess the half full perspective would be that most pay more than a 767, so we'll have that going for us. Basically a wash.
I would put money on the replacement for the 747's being the 777. It pays the same. The replacements mentioned for the 767 all pay a lot more!
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I would put money on the replacement for the 747's being the 777. It pays the same. The replacements mentioned for the 767 all pay a lot more!
I won't take that bet. 777-300 carries more cargo, almost as many people, farther than the 744. It is also proven.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
We have 74 767-300's, and 16 747's. The press release states we are looking to get 'up to 50' widebody aircraft to replace the 767's and 747's. I went to public school and suck at word problems, but that sounds like a net loss of airframes.
You have to read the whole problem before solving it. The press release says these are a replacement for the 747 AND/OR the 767. Those and/or questions always kicked my behind.

Replacement or growth I like the fact we are ordering WB aircraft and investing in the international fleet
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
You have to read the whole problem before solving it. The press release says these are a replacement for the 747 AND/OR the 767. Those and/or questions always kicked my behind.

Replacement or growth I like the fact we are ordering WB aircraft and investing in the international fleet
Like I said, it was my understanding there would be no math...
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Like I said, it was my understanding there would be no math...
That's why I fly airplanes! It's sad when my middle school kids bring me math I didn't even do in college and I can't help them. Thank goodness for Kahn academy.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
bless your heart....... you just choose to wage this awareness drive on an anonymous webboard that perhaps all of 30 pilots frequent. Good job. lulz.
He just likes to snipe.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:21 PM
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its a simple PBS bid

1. Avoid 788 and A380 ELSE START NEXT
2. 50 748
3. 50 773
4. ...... someone funnier can complete the thought

1. shut down airline
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:48 PM
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Your scope comments are a mis-direct at this point. As we all now have the benefit of hindsight, the 50 seaters were toast. Management played DAlpa and got us to pay for the lack of 3b6 and pay for 50 seaters to go away and pay for our cola. In the end they got viable 2 class C scale rjs and a plane they couldn't pass up on regardless. +717.

The other misdirect is the lack of accounting for big jet scope. You wanna go to interior china, do it on a delta ticket flying on china eastern/southern metal. You wanna go from Seattle to London...VA. You want to go from MCO to CDG...you get the picture.

Now let's talk about domestic basing of foreign carriers...why exactly am I supposed to fight that? Is it because my company and union, the outsourcers of my job, tell me to?

Connect for me the best possible career dots for a new hire today. With the objective information you and I have today.
I'm on board with the big end scope. I don't give a rat's ass about the little stuff anymore. That is what I am talking about. The operators are dying. No need to pay for anything there. As to the big end... yeah, I am a bit perplexed there too. I knew we wouldn't get anything with the VA deal as LHR is slot controlled, and lucrative to boot. VA wasn't gonna give us anything there for sure. So what was in that for us? Nothing apparently. I wasn't surprised by that fact however. I am curious about the AF/KLM JV too. I haven't seen any numbers in quite some time, and unless THEY have pulled down significant trans Atlantic flying, I would have to conclude that the company is way out of compliance on the EASKs. So... what's next?

AS far as the best possible career dots for a newbie... Any young guy coming here is gonna have a kick *** career. The jury is way out on UAL or AAL. Too much uncertainty there, although there is lots of potential. Like I said in the PM, let's see what the Q1 results look like. I think there will be gauge changes, and not at DAL....

This latest RFP is not impressive IMHO. So the question remains, what's next? I have one answer... but you don't like it.
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Old 04-01-2014, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
You have to read the whole problem before solving it. The press release says these are a replacement for the 747 AND/OR the 767. Those and/or questions always kicked my behind.

Replacement or growth I like the fact we are ordering WB aircraft and investing in the international fleet
We haven't done anything yet. 50 is a number. Just like saying we want to start hiring in 2012 (that's for you ftb)... Until it is in writing, accompanied with a presser, and a few bids, it is just talk, and not impressive imho. The word "replacement" inserted anywhere in that statement ruined the whole thing.
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