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Old 03-29-2014, 04:14 PM
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My point is not that they will be as profitable as us, it is that they are profitable at all. Right now, RA and Co. Don't seem to be able to fly a 777 anywhere profitably, at least to hear them say it. BS.
I think the 777 is profitable operationally but when you add in the cost to purchase and to carry the loan, maybe not so much. This is probably where the used aircraft market makes sense.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
I think the 777 is profitable operationally but when you add in the cost to purchase and to carry the loan, maybe not so much. This is probably where the used aircraft market makes sense.
I have no problem with the used aircraft market, but the 777 is a long range airplane. It makes it's money on the last 3 hours of a 15-17 hour leg. That's what it was made to do, not fly intra-Asia, London and Amsterdam. Heck, NRT is a waste of time on it. Plus, there has been misalocation of the LR vs ER.

Emirates is dumping used 777s on the market btw.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:23 PM
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None of what I said made any sense in retrospect.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I have no problem with the used aircraft market, but the 777 is a long range airplane. It makes it's money on the last 3 hours of a 15-17 hour leg. That's what it was made to do, not fly intra-Asia, London and Amsterdam. Heck, NRT is a waste of time on it. Plus, there has been misalocation of the LR vs ER.

Emirates is dumping used 777s on the market btw.
I would agree, right aircraft for the correct route, its like using the 332 for ATL-SEA and ATL-LAX, super efficient long haul, short flights not so much.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:27 PM
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None of what I said made any sense in retrospect.
The only thing that didn't make sense was you'd ditch a nympho because she didn't like green beans.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:33 PM
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the only thing that didn't make sense was you'd ditch a nympho because she didn't like green beans.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
I would agree, right aircraft for the correct route, its like using the 332 for ATL-SEA and ATL-LAX, super efficient long haul, short flights not so much.
Yes.

Correct. Even the 744 with its 4 engines is optimized in certain markets like how it fed the NRT hub.
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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My point is not that they will be as profitable as us, it is that they are profitable at all. Right now, RA and Co. Don't seem to be able to fly a 777 anywhere profitably, at least to hear them say it. BS.
I think they are gonna lose as much money as we are gonna make in Q1. Let's revisit it after the results are announced.
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Originally Posted by scambo1

Emirates is dumping used 777s on the market btw.
Interesting....... source?
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Old 03-29-2014, 04:42 PM
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They do that when they buy a gigantic order of replacements. To them, the 777-200LR is old hat, they like the -300.
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