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03-25-2014, 04:37 AM
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I'd rather take the better straight pay and keep a 2x trigger (and I commute)
We need to look in the other direction. Like:
These will help RES fill up faster and either result in more advance notice GS or cause more hiring and advancement.
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03-25-2014, 04:37 AM
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I've been a junior Captain for my 10yrs as a cappy... I've regularly averaged 6+ GS's/yr (last year, 12!)... it's all about bidding strategies (I'd tell you mine, but then I'd have to kill you!).
Again, mark me as a no way for 1.5 over 80. (or 1.5 over anything for that matter)
Again, mark me as a no way for 1.5 over 80. (or 1.5 over anything for that matter)
03-25-2014, 04:41 AM
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And just how do you quantify that? How would the negotiating committee decide how much the pilot group "needs" to fly only 80 hours? This is the argument I referred to in the above post. It is complete hooey. The rate that might allow you the luxury of staying home with an 80 hour month will probably not be enough for many others. And even if it is, many of those guys will see a bigger paycheck at the end of the month and go... "cool... now I am making a LOT more money, and not working any harder than I have been". IOW, it is unobtanium. Retiring early is the exact same argument. Some will.. but most will not if they can keep flying.
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
03-25-2014, 04:45 AM
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If the company is worried about too many 60Ps going "semi-retired" (like I plan to do), then maybe they should seriously think about 1.5 X 50 or 60. I'd rather keep GSs than set the multiplier at 80.
03-25-2014, 04:49 AM
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I have an upcoming trip to Accra with Morovia turns. Just read in the news that Ebola is spreading in Guinea and Liberia (Monrovia is in Liberia). Too close for comfort. This is too close to our Africa ops. What re-course do we have in situations like this? Any input?
03-25-2014, 04:50 AM
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And just how do you quantify that? How would the negotiating committee decide how much the pilot group "needs" to fly only 80 hours? This is the argument I referred to in the above post. It is complete hooey. The rate that might allow you the luxury of staying home with an 80 hour month will probably not be enough for many others. And even if it is, many of those guys will see a bigger paycheck at the end of the month and go... "cool... now I am making a LOT more money, and not working any harder than I have been". IOW, it is unobtanium. Retiring early is the exact same argument. Some will.. but most will not if they can keep flying.
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
Well said. In my conversations and open ears around the system, guys are flying as much as they can. We have been conditioned to work more, and sentiment I have heard loud and clear from junior, senior, jump seaters is that they will work a lot no matter the rate. They say that they will do it smartly utilizing greenslips, but when the company gets staffing somewhat under control and those g/s dry up, out will come the straight rate pick ups.
03-25-2014, 04:52 AM
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And just how do you quantify that? How would the negotiating committee decide how much the pilot group "needs" to fly only 80 hours? This is the argument I referred to in the above post. It is complete hooey. The rate that might allow you the luxury of staying home with an 80 hour month will probably not be enough for many others. And even if it is, many of those guys will see a bigger paycheck at the end of the month and go... "cool... now I am making a LOT more money, and not working any harder than I have been". IOW, it is unobtanium. Retiring early is the exact same argument. Some will.. but most will not if they can keep flying.
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
I agree with most of your other suggestions though....
I put a subjective goal in an objective document, I stand corrected.
03-25-2014, 04:58 AM
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I liked all your other suggestions, but will never vote for this. I have used OOBWS to greatly improve my QOL for the last 2yrs. I have absolutely no desire to give up this powerful tool. In fact, I would like to see the pre-bankruptcy ladder that put OOBWS before next day, non-YS, reserves.
03-25-2014, 05:01 AM
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Just a little good news-DELTA Adds New York JFK – Honolulu Nonstop Service in late-Dec 2014
by JL
Update at 2055GMT 24MAR14
DELTA from 18DEC14 to 04JAN15 is introducing Christmas/New Year season-only service on New York JFK – Honolulu route, on board Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. Service operates mainly on daily basis, except 24DEC14, 25DEC14 and 31DEC14.
DL420 JFK0845 – 1543HNL 76W D
DL1059 HNL1715 – 0800+1JFK 76W D
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Read more from 2014/15, DELTA, [Skyteam]
by JL
Update at 2055GMT 24MAR14
DELTA from 18DEC14 to 04JAN15 is introducing Christmas/New Year season-only service on New York JFK – Honolulu route, on board Boeing 767-300ER aircraft. Service operates mainly on daily basis, except 24DEC14, 25DEC14 and 31DEC14.
DL420 JFK0845 – 1543HNL 76W D
DL1059 HNL1715 – 0800+1JFK 76W D
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Read more from 2014/15, DELTA, [Skyteam]
03-25-2014, 05:04 AM
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Never. I'll campaign against that. I am against the whoring and huge productivity and staffing giveback that 1.5 over xx gives. Avg DAL pilot credits 89/mo. with 9 at 1.5 pay = 4.5 hours of premium divided into 89= 5.05% increase.
I'd rather take the better straight pay and keep a 2x trigger (and I commute)
We need to look in the other direction. Like:
These will help RES fill up faster and either result in more advance notice GS or cause more hiring and advancement.
I'd rather take the better straight pay and keep a 2x trigger (and I commute)
We need to look in the other direction. Like:
These will help RES fill up faster and either result in more advance notice GS or cause more hiring and advancement.
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