Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-20-2014, 07:26 AM
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Dalad, you are one of my favorite posters on this board, so don't take this personally. You are doing what is allowed under our contract.
OOBWS IMHO:
Although Scambo makes a great point above. I'd say "good" if a guy was needing to fill up his GS trigger.
OOBWS IMHO:
- - Commuting on your time, not the Company's dime
- - Deters the Company from adding staffing at the base you might want to bid in to
- - Deters the Company from hiring the pilots it needs to staff the network
- - Raises the expectation that pilots will DH for less than our current contract (free)
- - Raises the expectation that DH is not really duty, or work
- - Does take trips out of the system which might be assigned at premium pay
- - Is an abrogation of seniority
Although Scambo makes a great point above. I'd say "good" if a guy was needing to fill up his GS trigger.
03-20-2014, 07:30 AM
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Dalad, you are one of my favorite posters on this board, so don't take this personally. You are doing what is allowed under our contract.
OOBWS IMHO:
Although Scambo makes a great point above. I'd say "good" if a guy was needing to fill up his GS trigger.
OOBWS IMHO:
- - Commuting on your time, not the Company's dime
- - Deters the Company from adding staffing at the base you might want to bid in to
- - Deters the Company from hiring the pilots it needs to staff the network
- - Raises the expectation that pilots will DH for less than our current contract (free)
- - Raises the expectation that DH is not really duty, or work
- - Does take trips out of the system which might be assigned at premium pay
- - Is an abrogation of seniority
Although Scambo makes a great point above. I'd say "good" if a guy was needing to fill up his GS trigger.
It is not an abrogation of seniority, any more than a junior guy getting a WS before a senior guy getting a GS is an "abrogation." It is in the contract: therefore it is not an abrogation of seniority, other than in a "philosophical" sense.
In fact I think that many of your arguments could well be construed as an argument against commuting, and I know that you did not intend that.
As with all things, if you truly don't like that contractual provision, then let your LEC rep know. If they get enough such inputs it may prompt them to direct the negotiators that way.
03-20-2014, 07:41 AM
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You MAY be right (and I have never flown an OOBWS) but what if the guy in question is a commuter? If a guy lives in MCO and commutes to NYC--and we have many--is it really a bad trend of company "expectation" if he commutes to ATL vice NYC on an OOBWS?
It is not an abrogation of seniority, any more than a junior guy getting a WS before a senior guy getting a GS is an "abrogation." It is in the contract: therefore it is not an abrogation of seniority, other than in a "philosophical" sense.
In fact I think that many of your arguments could well be construed as an argument against commuting, and I know that you did not intend that.
As with all things, if you truly don't like that contractual provision, then let your LEC rep know. If they get enough such inputs it may prompt them to direct the negotiators that way.
It is not an abrogation of seniority, any more than a junior guy getting a WS before a senior guy getting a GS is an "abrogation." It is in the contract: therefore it is not an abrogation of seniority, other than in a "philosophical" sense.
In fact I think that many of your arguments could well be construed as an argument against commuting, and I know that you did not intend that.
As with all things, if you truly don't like that contractual provision, then let your LEC rep know. If they get enough such inputs it may prompt them to direct the negotiators that way.
03-20-2014, 07:44 AM
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Not trying to be insulting, just thought it humors!
03-20-2014, 07:49 AM
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I'd better not 
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03-20-2014, 07:52 AM
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I disagree. I have friends in Knoxville that know the whole story of what happened. Bruce made a mistake. The "sanctionable" breach would have been a slap on the wrist. The problem was that he lied about it, and it blew up (more than likely because the Jim Tressell thingy was going on at the same time). Tennessee would have been smarter to have accepted the sanctions and kept him on. (IMHO) He instilled an energy into the UT basketball program that hadn't been seen before. He is a great recruiter and floor tactician, and the Barn will be a contender in the SEC in short order.
03-20-2014, 08:57 AM
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03-20-2014, 08:59 AM
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OOBWS in my opinion is a set up to implement in home basing. Be careful what you desire and wish for. In Home Basing will require less pilots on the seniority list.
I have heard some noise that SD and gang are experimenting and running calculations with this.
TEN
I have heard some noise that SD and gang are experimenting and running calculations with this.
TEN
03-20-2014, 09:01 AM
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AE is out ............
03-20-2014, 09:03 AM
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You MAY be right (and I have never flown an OOBWS) but what if the guy in question is a commuter? If a guy lives in MCO and commutes to NYC--and we have many--is it really a bad trend of company "expectation" if he commutes to ATL vice NYC on an OOBWS?
It is not an abrogation of seniority, any more than a junior guy getting a WS before a senior guy getting a GS is an "abrogation." It is in the contract: therefore it is not an abrogation of seniority, other than in a "philosophical" sense.
In fact I think that many of your arguments could well be construed as an argument against commuting, and I know that you did not intend that.
As with all things, if you truly don't like that contractual provision, then let your LEC rep know. If they get enough such inputs it may prompt them to direct the negotiators that way.
It is not an abrogation of seniority, any more than a junior guy getting a WS before a senior guy getting a GS is an "abrogation." It is in the contract: therefore it is not an abrogation of seniority, other than in a "philosophical" sense.
In fact I think that many of your arguments could well be construed as an argument against commuting, and I know that you did not intend that.
As with all things, if you truly don't like that contractual provision, then let your LEC rep know. If they get enough such inputs it may prompt them to direct the negotiators that way.
We will have opportunity for substantial gains, where we place the gains is up to the majority. Is this a pilot group priority?
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