Originally Posted by sailingfun

I stated that 56 747/777 bids were posted as replacements for retiring pilots after it was posted that none were replaced. More then 56 retired in the ER program. Please tell where the numbers wreak. They are straight from crew planning and I checked them against the bids I could still locate. Please show me your data that causes these numbers to wreak?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

AE date DC9 717 M88 320 73N 767 7ER 765 330 777 747 Total A
Aug12 26 10 10 20 66
Oct12 4 20 10 -20 25 8 8 55
Mar13 -116 145 -16 -8 80 -80 87 -29 9 11 83
Jun13 55 22 77
Sep13 35 25 5 10 75
Oct13 25 25
Dec13 35 45 7 87
Jan14 15 15 18 4 52
Feb14 5 5 10
Total -112 195 149 84 151 -100 122 4 -19 17 39 503


Ok, I give up trying to post the numbers in a readable format on here. I thought I had it and it did not post correctly again. I will be happy to send the data to anyone who can post it correctly.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Originally Posted by p3flteng

The "experts" are saying the debris in the satellite photos is way to big...CNN is running this basically nonstop.

Very quite on here about the whole thing.......

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I'll concede, you are correct on the 56 number directly post 2012. I had forgotten about the ER and the initial replacements. However the proof is in the pudding as far as the wording of your post right htere. It's rapidly approaching 2 years since the last vacancy, and they did not replace the all 744/777 guys that took the ER in the first place. We are also a year and a half down range from Age 65 day, and not a single replacement for the the "real" retirements yet either.

While you are technically correct, the overall sentiment is also correct in regard to virtually no replacements since C2012. How much longer will it be with real retirements and no replacements for the 744 and 777?

Originally Posted by p3flteng

The "experts" are saying the debris in the satellite photos is way to big...CNN is running this basically nonstop
Very quiet on here about the whole thing.......

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I'll concede, you are correct on the 56 number directly post 2012. I had forgotten about the ER and the initial replacements. However the proof is in the pudding as far as the wording of your post right htere. It's rapidly approaching 2 years since the last vacancy, and they did not replace the all 744/777 guys that took the ER in the first place. We are also a year and a half down range from Age 65 day, and not a single replacement for the the "real" retirements yet either.

While you are technically correct, the overall sentiment is also correct in regard to virtually no replacements since C2012. How much longer will it be with real retirements and no replacements for the 744 and 777?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I must be missing your point. I posted what has happened sine the contract was signed. There is zero overall job loss. Yes there were categories that were overmanned and have shrunk. Overall however that is not the case. We even went up in 767/7er captains despite parking airframes. Timbo knows why the 777 has shrunk in ATL. Marketing shifts flying all the time. The 330 as a example was once planned to do a lot more over 12 hour flying and staffed for it. The flying never came and the numbers have gone down. We are up a significant number of Captains at Delta. If there had been even modest job loss in the new contract let alone massive job loss that would not be the case.

Originally Posted by Timbo

So not only are we down 777 Capts. since 2012, but we are down A330 Capt.s too? We may be up a significant number of Captains, but they are not in the highest paying seats. In effect, we are downsizing to more narrow body Captains, with less Super Premium Captains.