gloopy

What have the massive wave of current admin appointments…including many to "nuclear option" made up vacancies just for the purpose of court stacking... done for us? Other than being sycophants in the tank for government unions (which even FDR was rabidly against) and weak sauce "pro union" nonsense like making it easier for an apathetic group to unionize (which is actually worse IMO) what have they done to help pilot labor in this country?

The current admin doesn't care about pilot labor in the slightest. Plus right now we're at odds with the assembly line unions (that still remain) as they pumo out record orders after every air show for wide bodies for dual subsidized foreign meglomaniacs and their fake royal air travel growth bubbles.

sailingfun

In the 2nd quarter of 01 the airline industry saw one of the biggest drops in revenue in its history. The profits at Delta dried up overnight. I suspect that was the reason we stopped hiring.
Delta.s operating revenue went from 4.469 billion to 3.776 year over year comparison to 2000. A simply stunning drop that might have had a bit to do with freezing all hiring at Delta not just pilots.

nwaf16dude

According to Delta Network Planning, your glass is not half full or half empty...your glass is too big.

forgot to bid

gloopy, great points especially on us vs the Boeing unions.

gloopy

Thats a very valid point. The thing is, we are very productive now and I think the company is rapidly running out of ways to increase that via contract*.

We could monetize the buddy bid triple dip scheme we just got back recently, but beyond that there isn't a whole lot more low hanging fruit for them to get. We're at the point where even a slight additional gain in productivity would appear to be a huge give on our part. IOW, we're not falling for any more of that.

*They actually are sitting on a claim jumping gold mine of productivity that they can tap any time they want to with our without DALPA, and that's fleet consolidation. That is their call and not ours. Right now marketing rules the roost and they will carry "extra" pilots to cover a zillion fleet types so that one fleet can make 2 cents more per flight than another almost identically sized fleet would make. I'd be suprised if we're this fleet diverse in 10 years though.

Another thing they could do, and we need to be on red alert for this, is their never ending fantasy of wheel spin up. They want that and they want it bad. They might even brive us with "door pay". If you see that, watch out because the castle walls have been breached and they're pouring in with ladders to storm the keep. It may appear they just screwed up and gave us a bishop, but 3 moves later when we've lost our queen we'll realize what they did. If we get door pay, the next step will be for wheel spin up (perhaps forward only plus with oil pressure, to insure time on the tug is excluded completely). What do we care though, right, because we're on door pay! Except we just lost 3-10 minutes of block off of every flight in the system.

But other than those things, there really aren't many more veins of productivity they can mine.

nwaf16dude

If it sounds too crazy to be true, it probably isn't true. Given the DPA's track record of playing fast & loose with the truth, I'll wait to hear the other side of the story before I make any decisions. Obviously, it looks bad for ALPA.

LeineLodge

Which airline is "fighting"? Are you referring to us?

While I agree that the $1.27....M figure looks really bad on the surface, I still fail to see TC's end game in all of this. I also have a feeling that when the math is shown, it won't be anywhere near as bad as he is trying to make it look. For him to blast out that figure without showing his work is just stirring the nest (and no, attaching a 99 page tax document doesn't cut it. I tried to read it and my eyes glazed over by page 2.)

I have no problem with a watch-dog organization. I have a HUGE problem with some malcontent in Tampa kicking the ant-hill when it serves no purpose other than to over-exaggerate the point. I'm no accountant, but I'm positive that LM did not see anywhere near $1.278M hit his bank account...

I only hope that TC accidentally "hacks" his own account again soon (before we get any closer to C2015) and finally shuts down his website/email for good. If a vote were even a remote possibility, then fine. As it stands now, the DPA only serves to harm the Delta pilot group and should be labelled as the scourge that it is (yeah I said it )

daldude

The post you are referencing was written a month ago and was 100% accurate at the time. Had the 50 a month hiring been announced 6 weeks ago Roadkill would have never made the statement.

Scoop

Daldude,


I don't understand your post.


This is what I posted on February 8th.

Roadkill said I was wrong.

I Said fine "lets just what and see what happens."

Obviously if the Official number was out back then the whole exchange would have not been necessary.


Scoop

80ktsClamp

I suspected the same thing. If you look at it, his base salary actually went down. The big change is in the "other" column, which includes all sorts of things that we would never include in our W-2, but is required for union officials because the government wants them to look bad. This includes things like transportation, hotels, and so on..

I'm no Lee Moak fan, but I'm much less of a fan of playing the constant alarmist like the DPA has been.