Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-05-2014, 06:32 PM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 717B
Posts: 65
We interrupt this whaling and caterwauling for an important….RUMOR DE JOUR...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
03-05-2014, 06:56 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
We interrupt this whaling and caterwauling for an important….RUMOR DE JOUR...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
So, shall the 717s be deemed chihuahuas since basically they are mini dogs that bark like they are mad as $hit at everything and have a canine Napoleon complex?
03-05-2014, 07:04 PM
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
03-05-2014, 07:11 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
L. B. $
Riddle me this.
We have a sub group at Delta that wants LB pay. I understand it. Maybe do-able as there is a long term training cost savings for Mahogany Row.
We have a group that also wants to bring the RJ pilots and their lift on board. I understand that as well
Those that populate Mahogany Row are not going to go for LB$ if we do that.
Ideas?
We have a sub group at Delta that wants LB pay. I understand it. Maybe do-able as there is a long term training cost savings for Mahogany Row.
We have a group that also wants to bring the RJ pilots and their lift on board. I understand that as well
Those that populate Mahogany Row are not going to go for LB$ if we do that.
Ideas?
03-05-2014, 07:17 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,238
How did NAI get Heathrow slots?
03-05-2014, 07:29 PM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
We interrupt this whaling and caterwauling for an important….RUMOR DE JOUR...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
SWA is going to park the rest of the 717s by the end of the year…they want Delta to take them NOW…If I remember correctly, the fleet plan was to have them all on property by end of summer 2015. Apparently, there is a clause in the AT/SWA merger deal that if one is flying for SWA after Dec 31, all the 717 Airtran CAs must be paid SWA Ca rates…as well as all SWA FOs that can hold it….. Staffing them on the Delta side is the long pole in the tent…either way…all remaining Mini Dogs will not be flying for SWA after the end of the year.
Now back to your regularly scheduled lamenting...
03-05-2014, 07:34 PM
Doesn't Get Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,598
Riddle me this.
We have a sub group at Delta that wants LB pay. I understand it. Maybe do-able as there is a long term training cost savings for Mahogany Row.
We have a group that also wants to bring the RJ pilots and their lift on board. I understand that as well
Those that populate Mahogany Row are not going to go for LB$ if we do that.
Ideas?
We have a sub group at Delta that wants LB pay. I understand it. Maybe do-able as there is a long term training cost savings for Mahogany Row.
We have a group that also wants to bring the RJ pilots and their lift on board. I understand that as well
Those that populate Mahogany Row are not going to go for LB$ if we do that.
Ideas?
LB is a tough one. We just need to have 4 categories of pay.
We could go:
small narrowbody CRJ/EMB
narrowbody A319-320/737-700-800/M88-90/717
large narrowbody A321/737-900/757
wide body 767/330/777/747
That's kind of a middle of the road from where we are now and true LB pay. Would also save a ton on training costs.
03-05-2014, 07:36 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
You may not think 34 seats is a big deal, but it is. That makes it fit easily within our scope. As always, the issue is pay and cost. I would bid a 76 seat RJ (or at least you would) if it came with a DALPA negotiated pay scale. But that's never gonna happen. We can't draw the line anywhere because we don't draw the line. Delta does. They can fly any size airplane they want on the mainline. Always could. You know that.
They just don't want to negotiate a suitable pay rate with the union. Never did. You know that.
Looking forward, maybe they will. But they still have cheaper options at the present. And I'm not willing to give up anything on my end to make it affordable for them. Why would I? Why would you?
They just don't want to negotiate a suitable pay rate with the union. Never did. You know that.
Looking forward, maybe they will. But they still have cheaper options at the present. And I'm not willing to give up anything on my end to make it affordable for them. Why would I? Why would you?
SWA is not paying us to fly them, they are paying to modify them to DAL spec. That is very beneficial.
The 76 seat jets do have a DALPA negotiated payscale. It is in section 3 of our current live contract.
I'll tell you why you should be willing to bend to get that flying at mainline, because it is flying. I'm not going to bid the 717, a320, 73n, m88, or 757 but I do care that that flying is at mainline.
The sad reality is that you do not understand that when you don't stand up for scope, the job you don't care about is your own.
The 76 seat jets do have a DALPA negotiated payscale. It is in section 3 of our current live contract.
I'll tell you why you should be willing to bend to get that flying at mainline, because it is flying. I'm not going to bid the 717, a320, 73n, m88, or 757 but I do care that that flying is at mainline.
The sad reality is that you do not understand that when you don't stand up for scope, the job you don't care about is your own.
There were displacements to the 717? All I know is guys in ATL tried to bid it and couldn't hold it initially.
03-05-2014, 08:06 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
I don't know what nickname to bestow upon the 717, but whatever it is it's got to be earned. The MD-88 flat out earned it's title. It really is the honey badger of the airline industry.
The 717, is tame. Overly smart. Easy. Likeable. Even renamed Boeing.
I mean we could find out in time that it's a lot like this...
but I think it's this...
caught you staring.
The 717, is tame. Overly smart. Easy. Likeable. Even renamed Boeing.
I mean we could find out in time that it's a lot like this...
but I think it's this...
caught you staring.
03-05-2014, 08:13 PM
FlySmarterNotHarder
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: fifi flyer
Posts: 568
BB, yeah I kinda get your drift. Pardon me for paraphrasing. By unity you mean mergers and SLIs. Unity brings power, bargaining leverage to permit this or that, etc. From my experience it's the company that decides what mergers and acquisitions to pursue, not the pilot union. NWA brought a lot of revenue and assets to the merger. I don't see any of the DCI carriers with the kind of punch that would compel Delta to be interested in being the first major to merge operations with a regional. I don't see AA, UA, or SWA leaping to do this.
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