tsquare

So what's your point? Really dude, you aren't impressive with this line.

Mesabah

Ughh, I'm not trying to impress, I'm trying to say that it would be nice if this career was one worth pursuing in the future. Money isn't everything, as you pointed out with your Beiber example, and I agree, Beiber has money, but no one respects him, nor does he respect himself. Which, is what I was trying to convey in my original post.

Which is the whole point really, if all anyone wants is money, then this career will be much of the same, good for some, horrible for most. It's hard to convey one's message over the internet, I was not bragging, nor trying to impress.

Dorfman

Bar,

That was not what you said. First you stated we as mainline pilots couldn't appreciate the stress that outsourcing was having on the pilots involved in the accident. So I showed you that yes many of us could.

Second you said the line couldn't be drawn from this accident to the 1500 hour rule and it should be drawn to outsourcing. Once again if outsourcing caused those accidents mainline would have seen many more accidents then the regionals.

I appreciate your passion for unity but in this case you are mistaken. We can argue the validity of the 1500 hour rule but experience of these pilots caused the accident not the outsourcing.

tsquare

Well good grief, what career isn't like that? We all can't be in the top 10 money earners in the PGA.... I would not call this career horrible for most however. If it were, then psychologically I would say we have a bunch of masochists, and everyone should have their head examined. Like any job/career, it will have it's high points and it's low points. If it really sucks as bad as you intimate, there are lots of other jobs out there. Not a cop out, but good grief, if you are really that miserable why stay? And like shooting under 100 in golf, or making over $100k in compensation, there is a significant portion of the country that cannot do either.

Mesabah

I'm not even remotely miserable, otherwise I would be gone tomorrow. However, I think if you ask the majority of pilots, I doubt they would let their kids be pilots. Changing that opinion is something I feel strongly about. Furthermore, no one should feel that they have to take their own life as a result of adversity in this profession, the fact that some have, just doesn't sit well with me. I think we can do better.

tsquare

If I had kids, I would absolutely encourage them to become a pilot. This profession is about to undergo a renaissance. A kid that is 20 years old today and is punching his tickets is gonna do very well.

UGBSM

Better? Absolutely not.

And Compass was a Northwest abomination that Delta inherited.

Farmlover

If I had kids, which I don't cant afford them on my 7th year making under 30k, I would tell them to stay so far away from airlines as possible. This is one of the top ten worst jobs to have I think.

80ktsClamp

You got in at a bad time. The people coming up will likely have the exact opposite experience as you have had.

Bucking Bar

Compass was a part of our MEC. The converse of your own statement is, "If you are a member of the Delta MEC then you are a Delta pilot, I don't know how else you could look at it."

An obversion which demonstrates the logical error of dividing us from members of our own MEC, regardless of how you characterize the f-NWA design.

Rather than trying to tie together the logical breaks in the line you use to define professional pilots as "barbarians" I suggest the method used to successfully civilize more barbarians than any other, annexation. When we learn to acquire and incorporate our fellow professionals in unity, our numbers, thus our power, grows.

Scope is a leading indicator for bargaining results. If we've learned nothing else out of the last two decades, when we are able to more broadly define who are Delta pilots, we win gains in pay and working conditions.