JungleBus

About to head out the door to do a daytrip & then head down to St Maarten to sail in the Heineken Regatta, but here's my next three trips (CPZ E175), which are pretty representative of what I've been doing the last ~4 years:

Today:

MO 03 5786 MSP-YVR
MO 03 5786 YVR-MSP

(7:36 credit day trip)

13th:

TH 13 * 5737 MSP-DFW 0905 1142
TH 13 5808 DFW-LGA 1214 1645

FR 14 * 5801 LGA-IAH 0640 0958
FR 14 5772 IAH-MSP 1046 1333

(13:13 Credit for 2 days)

18th:

TU 18 5717 MSP-MDW 0700 0836
TU 18 * 5717 MDW-MSP 0910 1042
TU 18 5816 MSP-FCA 1135 1336 -

WE 19 5760 FCA-SLC 0605 0750
WE 19 5757 SLC-IAH 0950 1355

TH 20 5803 IAH-LGA 0645 1116
TH 20 5810 LGA-DFW 1215 1531

FR 21 5710 DFW-SLC 0825 1020
FR 21 * 5714 SLC-DFW 1105 1445
FR 21 5698 DFW-MSP 1605 1834

10-leg, 26:50 four-day trip.

If the 175 was brought over to mainline, I suspect I'd take the pay hit to fly it for QOL alone. DAL uses it largely on long, thin routes that make for efficient flying.

Free Bird

That's significantly better than about 80% of the 88/90 trips in ATL.

LeineLodge

Uh yeah, so what was UGBSM talking about again???

Bring 'em on over. If he doesn't want to fly it, I will.

forgot to bid

thanks junglebus.... pretty nice trip.

flyallnite

Absolutely. The classic 737 flying was renown as some of the best in the system, until the RJs came and we parked them and furloughed pilots, simultaneously destroying a great product and alienating our customer base and laying off station employees with 30 years of dedicated service... what's the time to upgrade in SLC now? A quarter century to be the plug on a narrowbody? THIS was far more devastating to our careers than losing the pension.

Bucking Bar

Slowplay likes to go on about how Delta could not afford to pay RJ drivers "Delta" pay. Actually, perhaps the inverse is true. Among the trips we can hold.

2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week )

Here's the typical

07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700

08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG

REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR

LeineLodge

I'm not saying 13.30 is good enough for a 3 day, but when I did UIO (as I know you did too) it was only slightly more than 10:30 due to the segment times. That was totally unacceptable and a large reason that UIO, and a lot of the west coast 3 day "turns" are/were always in open time.

ADG has helped immensely, making those trips pay 20-30% more. Now that we started down that road, ADG needs to be brought up to 5:30 or 6, get rid of Duty Period Avg altogether. That would go a long way towards more $/days worked as well as requiring more pilots IMO...

flyallnite

Your premise is and always has been correct. The real reason for doing business this way started with malfeasance ( RJ self financing BS), then continued as a way to consistently B!tch$lap airline pilots and drive the overall profession down to a vocation. THAT is why it continues and that is what must be overcome, with, as you surmise, help from economic realities.

Hornet1

Yes, eight short calls goes against the PWA and why I find it interesting that it shows in icrew as that. I figured that the company would ask for more short calls during negotiations for 117 but I have heard of no LOA's being signed. I was wondering if it might have been put in the DBMS programming by the company expecting that negotiations we be completed soon and this is one of the things we gave them.

I did call scheduling and she said it was a mistake, I'm still skeptical.

dalad

My pension was valued at over $1 million. I have to disagree with that. We do need to have all DAL flying done by DAL pilots period, but the loss of the DB plan was significant for the top third of the list. Those that are coming on board now are going to do very well with the DC plan we have in place, especially if the numbers % wise increase.