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I think human nature causes those who appreciate the information from the cockpit to be overtly complimentary and for those that don't care for it to remain silent. Something along the lines of "if you have nothing nice to say..." So, my take is that most people in the back have flow plenty and just want to get where they are going on time. They only want to know if something is going to delay them or affect them. The push for us to be more communicative is based on incomplete information. If you believe in the idea of treat other people how you want to be treated, ask yourself how much you care about what the pilots have to say when you deadhead. For me, it is an unwelcome distraction.
That being said, the bottom line is this: say whatever you want to say. You are a pilot and have earn the right to 'do the pilot thing'.
That being said, the bottom line is this: say whatever you want to say. You are a pilot and have earn the right to 'do the pilot thing'.
Bottom line is that guys are gonna do what they are gonna do. As a passenger, I prefer a little personality and engagement from the guys flying the airplane. The guys that don't want to do that, are not gonna do it no matter the pro/con argument and vice versa. But all this fear mongering about sterile cockpit comes across as paranoia, imho.
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tsquare. We are on the same page. One of the reasons I wanted to be a pilot is because I thought pilots were cool. Additionally, I love the people that fill the seats on Delta aircraft, because they make aviation possible for me. It warms my heart when I exit an airplane and I watch the reunion of love ones that we made possible, in part, because we are aviators.
Delta Airlines hired you because you have a clue. So, I say, forgot the advice of people that want to generalize situations and do what you think is right based on the conditions as you see them. That will be more appropriate and appreciated than canned anything.
Delta Airlines hired you because you have a clue. So, I say, forgot the advice of people that want to generalize situations and do what you think is right based on the conditions as you see them. That will be more appropriate and appreciated than canned anything.
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Bar,
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment ... .
Regards,
Buzz
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment ... .
Regards,
Buzz
Buzz,
My father spent 9 out his first 16 years in our profession on furlough. He had two airlines go bust out from under him, or rather I should say, flew for two airlines that had their assets transferred. He worked as a mechanic when he could not find work flying. Sometimes he worked three jobs, not only to support us, but also as the sole provider for his mother and help with a couple of nearly destitute relatives. Can not recall that he ever complained, but he was tired and never really happy unless he was flying.
The second asset transfer happened when I was 16. I took my first full time job two weeks after my 16th birthday and have worked at least one job every day of my life since then. My schedule for the six years it took me to get my undergrad done was 07:40 am at work ... a few of my classes let out at 00:20. My parents never asked for money, but I did save up some cash so we could take a family vacation. Dad found work flying in Saudi. I do not recall seeing him much until I was 24. I will leave the details of our family life out of this, but yeah, I get it. He is a great guy. He really appreciated his later career with FedEx.
This thorough understanding of what furlough and career instability is the exact reason why I've worked to try to improve our profession's perspective on unity.
Rather than focus on the emotive question of how anyone feels about furlough it would better if folks like CGHerk would refocus on the structures their association has created which caused our pilots to be furloughed. It frustrates me that his posts criticize pilots for their feelings when these emotions impede the objective changes that we need to get done to unify our profession, thus avoiding asset transfers, furloughs and job losses out of seniority.
In other words; you probably took a furlough that should have been mine. Why did you (and the Delta pilots) allow that to happen? Was disunity with ASA and Comair worth it? (not picking on you, it is a rhetorical question and I think we agree on the answer)
I've heard a couple of pilots who are in the know state considerations for what would amount to a one way flow up to Delta. Management wants to avoid flow down because it makes it more cumbersome to administer furloughs and a lot of men with ALPA lapel pins seem to have no problem with that idea.
How can it be that we are so against Norweigen, Emirates, Etihad et. al. taking "our" flying when we still happily outsource 40% of our domestic flying to alter ego versions of our own airlines? We have no moral authority to ask for restrictions when we build half of our Section 1 on permitted arrangements to outsource flying within our own brand.
We can change these structures. I do not ever want a pilot on this list to be furloughed.
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Just because it's too good not to share ....
Dad's airline was the first to do quite a few long distance routes across the Pacific. They had worked up a doppler radar drift sensor, which apparently did not work (at all) as well as hoped since calm seas gave the thing nothing to obtain a return from. They were intercepted, fired on and forced down.
Dad's airline was the first to do quite a few long distance routes across the Pacific. They had worked up a doppler radar drift sensor, which apparently did not work (at all) as well as hoped since calm seas gave the thing nothing to obtain a return from. They were intercepted, fired on and forced down.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 03-02-2014 at 10:51 AM.
OMG, you think the FA's even hear what you're blabbing about? All they hear is "prepare for departure". That's it. Nobody cares about the rest. Some pilots just like to hear themselves talk.
Every PA is an interruption. Use only when absolutely necessary. You're not the tour guide on the jungle cruise ride at the amusement park. People have iPhones now. They know what the temperature is... everywhere.
Every PA is an interruption. Use only when absolutely necessary. You're not the tour guide on the jungle cruise ride at the amusement park. People have iPhones now. They know what the temperature is... everywhere.
1. Everyone has a smart phone, just about. Anyone who CARES about having updated accurate info, like WX and landing time, HAS A SMARTPHONE.
2. The FlyDelta App has an exact land time on it updated from your ACARS every time you send a pos report. PAX know when we're landing!!
3. Everyone DOES know the WX at landing site.
4. The seatback entertainment shows our exact location and landing time, if the plane has it.
5. They've already been welcomed aboard Delta and thanked for spending their hard-earned flying dollars with us, probably 10 times, by B4takeoff, and usually by someone with an approved script. They're sick of hearing it, after the 3rd time it gets cloyingly annoying.
6. Every PA IS an interruption, usually of their paid movie/entertainment time.
7. My relatives are gazillion miler Diamond Platinum GoldUnderwear Medallion Uber Status execs... and when we talk about my job, they always say one thing:
TELL US ABOUT UNUSUAL EVENTS LIKE HOLDING, OTHERWISE ****!!!
Sorry, but it's true. Less is more when making PAs, and thinking about all the other folks who have already told them various info will help keep it on-target and succinct. You're going for Succinct Steely Eyed Commander, not Chatty Susan Hourly Cafeteria Worker
And for heaven's sake, never announce any scores, or you'll have 20 guys who TIVO'd the game wanting to kill you...
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Succinct Steely Eyed Commander, not Chatty Susan Hourly Cafeteria Worker
Well said.
Well said.
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New line holder here...what are the risks with asterisk rotations that spill into the next bid period? I understand that they can alter the rotation and even extend it no more than one calendar day. Anything else? How frequently do they make changes to them?
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Holy crud!
First time getting sidelined by DPA members today on the employ bus. I find it particularly ironic that DPA members seem to enjoy talking down and disrespecting pilots who aren't on board with their beliefs. If they are trying to convince people of your own beliefs they may want to refrain from using condescending sarcasm. I shouldn't if engaged, but I did. I blame myself.
First time getting sidelined by DPA members today on the employ bus. I find it particularly ironic that DPA members seem to enjoy talking down and disrespecting pilots who aren't on board with their beliefs. If they are trying to convince people of your own beliefs they may want to refrain from using condescending sarcasm. I shouldn't if engaged, but I did. I blame myself.
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Just because it's too good not to share ....
Dad's airline was the first to do quite a few long distance routes across the Pacific. They had worked up a doppler radar drift sensor, which apparently did not work (at all) as well as hoped since calm seas gave the thing nothing to obtain a return from. They were intercepted, fired on and forced down.
Dad's airline was the first to do quite a few long distance routes across the Pacific. They had worked up a doppler radar drift sensor, which apparently did not work (at all) as well as hoped since calm seas gave the thing nothing to obtain a return from. They were intercepted, fired on and forced down.
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Bar,
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
Buzz
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
Buzz
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