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We were separate airlines then ... whether or not NWA had pilots on furlough bypass was of no consequence to Delta's growth and hiring pre-merger.
I am glad our furloughees* are back and I also glad we restored their longevity, they are returning to a much better deal than the job they bypassed. Not only did we keep their seat warm (and it is their's) but we improved their compensation and working conditions.
IMHO, the "thanks" should cut both ways.
I am glad our furloughees* are back and I also glad we restored their longevity, they are returning to a much better deal than the job they bypassed. Not only did we keep their seat warm (and it is their's) but we improved their compensation and working conditions.
IMHO, the "thanks" should cut both ways.
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Divided = we fail
Unified = we win
The math is so easy.
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IMO the big threat with this type of crony corporatism, taxpayer gift to foreign megalomaniacs isn't so much the convenience factor on the front end as it is the seamless tie ins on the other end. Namely JB, VX, possibly SW and the never ending stream of start ups which in the future will likely be as heavily subsidized by said foreign carriers as the law allows. And there will only be more pressure applied in the corrupt process to relax the existing limits.
No one is going to choose EY (or whoever) just because they can clear there instead of here. What this does, however, is allow much greater so called LCC tie ins with airlines that don't typically have large presences with customs facilities.
We will look back at the last 5 or 6 years as incredibly easy compared to the next 5 to 10. Our biggest threat, far beyond pre clearance gifts to fake royal airlines that bribe us with our own money, and even far beyond the lower than scumbag operators like NAI, will be finding management teams that can move past the insanely unsustainable paradigm of endless YoY RASM growth by any means necessary (i.e. capacity dicipline).
Going forward its going to get ugly and there will be pressures on yields that no amount of capacity trimming will solve. We will have to take it to them with extreme prejudice, running some out of markets at a cost, and driving others to liquidation. Or they will do it to us. The biggest threat is how soon the collective MBA bonus mongers in the industry, high on the capacity yield gravy train, can turn around their own mentality and adapt their playbook.
No one is going to choose EY (or whoever) just because they can clear there instead of here. What this does, however, is allow much greater so called LCC tie ins with airlines that don't typically have large presences with customs facilities.
We will look back at the last 5 or 6 years as incredibly easy compared to the next 5 to 10. Our biggest threat, far beyond pre clearance gifts to fake royal airlines that bribe us with our own money, and even far beyond the lower than scumbag operators like NAI, will be finding management teams that can move past the insanely unsustainable paradigm of endless YoY RASM growth by any means necessary (i.e. capacity dicipline).
Going forward its going to get ugly and there will be pressures on yields that no amount of capacity trimming will solve. We will have to take it to them with extreme prejudice, running some out of markets at a cost, and driving others to liquidation. Or they will do it to us. The biggest threat is how soon the collective MBA bonus mongers in the industry, high on the capacity yield gravy train, can turn around their own mentality and adapt their playbook.
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What are you saying "maybe next time". I for one hope there is not a next time. Once is enough for me. How sad is it that Delta pilots are upset that people who were furloughed and had theirs and their family's lives virtually ruined are mad that they are coming back to positions like the MD88B and 717B and 737B.
I can honestly say it never occurred to me that people were mad when we came back from furlough or furlough bypass.
So dash 8 what would you propose we do "next time" to the furloughees?
How was seniority not honored had they not been furloughed they would have been on property and bid what they wanted.
I can honestly say it never occurred to me that people were mad when we came back from furlough or furlough bypass.
So dash 8 what would you propose we do "next time" to the furloughees?
How was seniority not honored had they not been furloughed they would have been on property and bid what they wanted.
Second - I'm not mad that anyone came back from furlough. In fact, I'm glad that everyone who wants to be back, is. Welcome back, let's move on.
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Lastly - My comment was meant to illustrate that there could have been a better way to bring guys back. For instance, SLC and LAX. We don't actually know if the bypass guys were senior enough to hold these positions since there hadn't been any posted vacancies in some time. There could have been a large number of senior guys waiting to get in but never got the chance. On the flip side, what about the bypass guy that could have held a wide body seat somewhere but was not given that option? Thats why letting them participate in the AE process seems to make the most sense. But, it's not in the contract. Oh well.
I honestly cannot imagine what it must have been like to be furloughed. Though it happened to some good friends of mine, I have not had to experience it myself. And for that I'm very thankful. In 2008, when oil prices were skyrocketing and the economy was tanking, I though for sure I was going to be on the street. But it didn't happen, and now things seem to be looking up. With any luck, this "pilot shortage" will make the furloughed pilot a thing of the past.
Oh, and if I didn't say it already, welcome back!
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I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
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Like!!!!!!!!
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I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
Buzz
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
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Bar,
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
Buzz
I truly appreciate your approach and your foresight. I also agree that unified is the only way. My comment about you not understanding is really based on the tenet that if you haven't been there, you can't go there. We had guys taking their lives and leaving families behind. It was horrid. So, while I appreciate your sentiment, most of us don't feel that there are thanks owed both ways. This is not directed at you....hundreds of Delta and NWA guys were kicked to the curb and younger, less experienced guys accelerated their careers at regionals because of that. Fine, that's life and that's definitely the career we have embarked upon. Please understand that guys who were hired years before your peers and are choosing to come back ( many senior to me BTW) are owed every possible advantage as is detailed in our PWA.
Regards,
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Quick question.....Anyone been able to delay/postpone a training date after an Advanced Entitlement Award?
Obviously training early is not an option because it's seniority based, but I was thinking postponing it might be an option if it still a few months away. Just curious as to see if anyone else here has been in the situation.
Obviously training early is not an option because it's seniority based, but I was thinking postponing it might be an option if it still a few months away. Just curious as to see if anyone else here has been in the situation.
Now if you have to train, it might be a different story depending on how bad they need you in your future category. Like the other poster said, I'd start with Crew Resources. They are reasonable people and a good place to start.
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