daldude

What are you saying "maybe next time". I for one hope there is not a next time. Once is enough for me. How sad is it that Delta pilots are upset that people who were furloughed and had theirs and their family's lives virtually ruined are mad that they are coming back to positions like the MD88B and 717B and 737B.

I can honestly say it never occurred to me that people were mad when we came back from furlough or furlough bypass.

So dash 8 what would you propose we do "next time" to the furloughees?

How was seniority not honored had they not been furloughed they would have been on property and bid what they wanted.

NERD

Biting tongue......

poostain

Yeah that's the Bar line what I was wondering about. Using that logic all furlough pilots should thank all the guys at the regionals that experienced growth as their jobs were outsourced.

DeadHead

Quick question.....Anyone been able to delay/postpone a training date after an Advanced Entitlement Award?

Obviously training early is not an option because it's seniority based, but I was thinking postponing it might be an option if it still a few months away. Just curious as to see if anyone else here has been in the situation.

dalad

If you have a good reason, start with the training planners then move on to the CPO.

daldude

Delta furloughees did not need longevity restored. We negotiated the right to accrue longevity in the contracts prior to being furloughed.

And truth be told, I would have preferred to not have been furloughed and would have gladly endured an overstaffed airline and low ALV's vs loosing my job, having to sell my house, move my family and all of the things associated with job loss.

So, I would be curious to know whom exactly I should be thanking and exactly what am I thanking them for.

I will and have thanked any pilot who paid the cobra assessment.

gloopy

Hmmm. Well in case that happens, I call big spoon for infinity.

Unless there's 3 or more spoons, in which case I call middle spoon. Yeah its risky, but nothing ventured and all that.

Unless its Amanda Knox in her new stupid pixie mom cut whatever. She's off my 5 list for that, so I call outside little spoon cause I don't want to know.


So wait, what were we talking about again?

gloopy

IMO the big threat with this type of crony corporatism, taxpayer gift to foreign megalomaniacs isn't so much the convenience factor on the front end as it is the seamless tie ins on the other end. Namely JB, VX, possibly SW and the never ending stream of start ups which in the future will likely be as heavily subsidized by said foreign carriers as the law allows. And there will only be more pressure applied in the corrupt process to relax the existing limits.

No one is going to choose EY (or whoever) just because they can clear there instead of here. What this does, however, is allow much greater so called LCC tie ins with airlines that don't typically have large presences with customs facilities.

We will look back at the last 5 or 6 years as incredibly easy compared to the next 5 to 10. Our biggest threat, far beyond pre clearance gifts to fake royal airlines that bribe us with our own money, and even far beyond the lower than scumbag operators like NAI, will be finding management teams that can move past the insanely unsustainable paradigm of endless YoY RASM growth by any means necessary (i.e. capacity dicipline).

Going forward its going to get ugly and there will be pressures on yields that no amount of capacity trimming will solve. We will have to take it to them with extreme prejudice, running some out of markets at a cost, and driving others to liquidation. Or they will do it to us. The biggest threat is how soon the collective MBA bonus mongers in the industry, high on the capacity yield gravy train, can turn around their own mentality and adapt their playbook.

gloopy

Not to speak for BB, but the way I read the tone in what he was saying was merely a push for unity and respect both ways.

FWIW lots of us were told from multipile sources (ALPA and the company) that bypass pilots could only initially bid on available openings. When some pilots were awarded things outside of that, some people asked questions, which is more than fair because we don't want the company making up its own rules as it goes along on this or anything else. Now its been clarified that how the awards were done was IAW with the contract after all.

So its pretty much move along, nothing to see here, and welcome back.

I don't think BB was implying anything adversarial either way. If anyone on this board is about unity its him.

Bucking Bar

Yes Sir .