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Old 02-23-2014, 02:30 PM
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Those gear DOWN landings hurt!!

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Old 02-23-2014, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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Despite Ed's affront to all of us, he's just one guy doing whatever... I'm not defending him, just saying...

I don't think we live in a country that is terribly compatible with Christian values anymore and I think that is THE problem.
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pay competitive wages, no guns held to the heads of any DL employees that I've seen. They are doing a good job by any of the measurable data points. They can do better but I'm glad they're on our team.
Not disputing anything you said. My point was that the definition of their jobs appear to be at odds with Christian values.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Agree with all.

Not disputing anything you said. My point was that the definition of their jobs appear to be at odds with Christian values.
So all executives have no Christian values ?
I'm just pulling your chain PD, I get what you're saying. When it comes to stockholders or values the Christians get fed to the lions.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:08 PM
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If capitalism is incompatible with Christian values, I would have to rethink Christian values.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by casual observer
If capitalism is incompatible with Christian values, I would have to rethink Christian values.
I agree with you, but let's all just steer away from the Cincinnati Creation Museum.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Dude, you are out there. They pay competitive wages, no guns held to the heads of any DL employees that I've seen.
Drank may be talking about Pinnacle, Mesaba, Comair, DGS, RHS...
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:24 PM
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I agree with you, but let's all just steer away from the Cincinnati Creation Museum.
Agreed. Religion has got little to do with us getting more as stakeholders.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Agree with all.

Not disputing anything you said. My point was that the definition of their jobs appear to be at odds with Christian values.
Speaking as a business owner, there is nothing about running a business that is an affront to "Christian Values." The Bible does not speak directly to many business issues, but I do think outsourcing violates both the spirit and intent of Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.

Basically it boils down to what Paul wrote to Roman readers in Galatians, "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." "

Business leaders might try to rationalize that either workers are not "neighbors" or that like an over worked trauma Doc, they have to let some die to save others. Jesus' story of the "Good Samaratan" corrects these justifications by illustrating some basic facts:
  • One is need
  • One has the ability to help
  • They are close to one another, enough to be aware
Or, as Jesus himself summed up, recounted in John's Gospel ... “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

People who run businesses have choices, just as all of us do. I can not abide the idea that harming folks' careers with corporate shell games is in any way demonstrative of "loving your neighbor." It is not my job to judge. But, I would not make the decisions Delta's management have with regard to outsourcing.

The "Delta Culture" that management would so like to inspire us with does reflect back on "Christian Values." Isn't "we've got your back" a comitment to travellers that we will be the Good Samaritan? Wouldn't it be nice (and profitable) if every Delta employee loved our customers? But, these well meaning values are diluted by our Delta corporate reality which excludes some of our closest neighbors.

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What's more compassionate; sustainable profitability or an egalitarianism that compromises profitability and sustainability?
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by casual observer
What's more compassionate; sustainable profitability or an egalitarianism that compromises profitability and sustainability?
That depends. Your post makes a bunch of assumptions. A good steward would seek balance (and we have good stewards here, IMHO). I do not believe outsourcing is necessary to run a succesful business ... is that what you are theying to state?
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