TheManager

Sailing and Slowplay.

Thanks for the refresher on the 3b6/777 timeline. At the time this was occurring I was relatively new. I missed the lead up but was present for the end. Was there at one time an airframe parked for a period during the negotiations?

Never forget the day when flying with a 767 LCA. As we passed the TOC on the way up the hill, he became extremely agitated at the sight of a static 777 and thus of course Leo as well. He was still going at it at level off.

T. Where do I start T? First, I have seen TC once in the ATL lounge going toe to toe with a capt rep. Never have laid eyes on him since and I would memorize his number if we were ever in the same category. I actually take extreme offense to your comment about offering him congratulations.

We all have a real problem on our hands with TC. He needs to cease and desist now. He won't. He is incapable as this isn't about DPA, it is about his own twisted and maniacal vendetta against the company and ALPA. I predict he will continue until he blows his credit line and his doners money on his hacker gate and litigation. At that point he can back out saying he would continue except for the fact that he has no funds to.

Sadly, we will be a fractured group without unity when we need it the most.

However, as much as TC needs to put up or get out now, ALPA also needs to work to rebuild unity. I have been an ALPA volunteer on three occasions in my past. I have been with ALPA for over twenty years with 3 airlines. I support ALPA.

However, I have seen many different ways of how various MECs have practiced their stewardship. Some were effective and bold, some were constantly on their heels, others proactive and inclusive and had the full backing of their membership.

The ones that had the full support of their pilots were successful. They adapted to the issues that challenged them. I have never seen an issue though as challenging as the one we face. Uniting everyone in less than a year.

Presently we have two very polarized groups. ALPA likely will need to work the middle ground to have a chance in '15. There is a laundry list of items that could be included that Dalpa could address to work that middle ground. That is for another time though.

What is important though is that the company is aware of this fracture and will act accordingly to capitalize on it. Last thing I'd expect them to do is start behaving heavy handed and give all the pilots a reason to come together against a common cause.

TheManager

Ummm, start talking with the FOs that have been in that seat for 15 years and lived through furlough and BK.

Should be easy.

You're an ER captain, right? Usually get two per leg over the water? Gives you twice the chance to find out

Check Essential

Go ahead. Just say it.
C2K paid too much.

sailingfun

We no longer have 3b6 so it no longer applies.

LivingTheDream

You might want to re-read your previous post. It was specifically in response to your statement about junior (read newer) FO's holding out for higher pay... I did not find that to be the case... YMMV. ( right back atcha!)

slowplay

If that's the message you took from the review of the historical record you need a refund on your last 24 years of airline education.

TheManager

No, you go re-read it. I referred to junior pilots, not new hire or junior new hire.

It did not necessarily "read newer". It was referring to the longtime FOs at Delta who have:

1. Been furloughed

2. Been through BK and watching PRPs bounce back

3 . Watched age 65 stagnate them yet again

4. Finally, been party to a merger where 1+1=1.5

Should we bring up scope, whether it be RJ or code share?

Try asking those in this demographic. You should be flying with them. Or, are these guys scattering as soon as the transportation arrives at the hotel

LivingTheDream

Chillax... I get there are many different layers of pain since 2001. We'll have to agree to disagree about how you see the senior (read older) pilots voting. (I'm pretty sure those 62% didn't just come from my demographic.)

BTW, since you don't have a clue about me, I do just fine with my crews... thanks for your concern, though.

Oh, and thanks for your clarification about your definition of junior... I didn't realize you were writing about only your demographic...

I do agree that if we have any chance of uniting, we well have to replace your and mine with ours.

Good luck to us all.

slowplay

Well stated.

Express pilot

I don't think Chillax... is the best statement to a pilot that has been through all that. Seems a little harsh, just like contract 2012.