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02-16-2014, 10:36 AM
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Unity means Delta flying performed by Delta pilots.
Equipment does not matter. Permitting any outsourcing becomes a weak point from which management gains leverage to separate us from our work.
Permitting outsourcing was a difference.
How large the outsourced airplane is, is only a arbitrary distinction.
Equipment does not matter. Permitting any outsourcing becomes a weak point from which management gains leverage to separate us from our work.
Permitting outsourcing was a difference.
How large the outsourced airplane is, is only a arbitrary distinction.
Step 1 - Today
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Regionals limited to <40 seats, < 150 nm, < other stuff.
When it comes to Step 2, how do you overcome two things:
A) A Delta management BOD, et.al., who know outsourcing holds down crew costs, and
B) A lifer on the regional side that would sue ALPA if outsourcing was eliminated.
02-16-2014, 10:36 AM
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It would appear that a simple call/txt would not put the Company at a loss (they would potentially get a longer duty period even if the notification was within 10 hours --- Original report plus 16 hours.)
It would certainly benefit the pilot (unless they'd rather hang out in the crew lounge in uniform as opposed to a hotel room wearing whatever
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The only potential loss would be a crewmember who claimed his rest was interrupted and then demanded another 10 hours.
It would certainly benefit the pilot (unless they'd rather hang out in the crew lounge in uniform as opposed to a hotel room wearing whatever
)The only potential loss would be a crewmember who claimed his rest was interrupted and then demanded another 10 hours.
02-16-2014, 10:38 AM
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Never flew with the guy, but I did meet him at the end. I don't know how arrogant he was in 2002-2003 (I wasn't on property yet) but in 2012 he seemed humble and remorseful. He stayed until the last day, but I think his sons were furloughed and/or left for other opportunities.
As far as the "RJ Captains want our planes" argument... From my view in the right seat, the majority of us don't want your planes - we want your jobs. And by that, I mean we want to get hired at Delta and push you all up a number and throw gear for you. And bring you all the donuts and fries you can eat.
If Delta hired me to fly CRJs in 2003, I wouldn't have needed to go the regional route. However that was not a realistic career plan at the time, and it still isn't. Bar is right, many of us regional pukes would love to see the 700/900 and 170s at mainline.
As far as the "RJ Captains want our planes" argument... From my view in the right seat, the majority of us don't want your planes - we want your jobs. And by that, I mean we want to get hired at Delta and push you all up a number and throw gear for you. And bring you all the donuts and fries you can eat.
If Delta hired me to fly CRJs in 2003, I wouldn't have needed to go the regional route. However that was not a realistic career plan at the time, and it still isn't. Bar is right, many of us regional pukes would love to see the 700/900 and 170s at mainline.
I talked to Gus Malzahn, he agrees, watch his mouth... "BOOMer"
02-16-2014, 10:42 AM
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02-16-2014, 10:45 AM
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Oh also, here's a situation to watch for. Last trip we were on about our 52nd revision to the trip. We ended up flying from the overnight to Atlanta, doing a mx verification flight, a day layover, then flying to the next overnight. On the last leg I was showing the math behind the LATT times to the other guy when I noticed they were way off. The LATT said our latest TO time was five minutes before our dropdead time (essentially showing us we had 3 hours more than we actually did). Long story short, I assumed it was my public math, but it was still bugging me. So I ran the calculations a couple of times. It still didn't compute. I ended up calling the duty pilot because I was sure it was wrong. He came up with the same result as me. I asked if he would look into it and get back to me. What they found is there's a glitch in the LATT times if you gate return. Since we had a MX verification flight (ATL-ATL) it was wrong too. It was no big deal since we had plenty of time. But if you were close it could be an issue.
02-16-2014, 11:03 AM
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True. Here's a question,
Step 1 - Today
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Regionals limited to <40 seats, < 150 nm, < other stuff.
When it comes to Step 2, how do you overcome two things:
A) A Delta management BOD, et.al., who know outsourcing holds down crew costs, and
B) A lifer on the regional side that would sue ALPA if outsourcing was eliminated.
Step 1 - Today
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Regionals limited to <40 seats, < 150 nm, < other stuff.
When it comes to Step 2, how do you overcome two things:
A) A Delta management BOD, et.al., who know outsourcing holds down crew costs, and
B) A lifer on the regional side that would sue ALPA if outsourcing was eliminated.
The death of the 50 seater was about to provide that opportunity, then we threw them a lifeline and added 70 more jumbo RJs that are more profitable, lower CASM, better product, etc. Outsourcing got a desperately needed lifeline to continue for a long time.
We screwed up.
02-16-2014, 12:25 PM
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Let me say this, the only step 2 that I think works is when the true total cost of outsourcing exceeds it's value. Sure the cash cost could exceed income, but when it would be cheaper to have it in house even if it means losing the means to hold down mainline crew costs, then I think they'll do it.
The death of the 50 seater was about to provide that opportunity, then we threw them a lifeline and added 70 more jumbo RJs that are more profitable, lower CASM, better product, etc. Outsourcing got a desperately needed lifeline to continue for a long time.
We screwed up.
The death of the 50 seater was about to provide that opportunity, then we threw them a lifeline and added 70 more jumbo RJs that are more profitable, lower CASM, better product, etc. Outsourcing got a desperately needed lifeline to continue for a long time.
We screwed up.
02-16-2014, 12:34 PM
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Profit Sharing Pics on DLNET: That woman on the far left doing the "heart" sign with her two hands...what's she trying to say?
02-16-2014, 12:53 PM
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I understand the interest in this, however it would be a huge gain for the company. yes it would help during IROP's but just like when we got the CNO system it would have to be limited to just IROP's. I don't want the company to have the ability to say that I was inversed assigned because they sent a text or an app says the message was delivered.
IROPs are the company's cost of doing business. Let's not bend over and make them our costs.
02-16-2014, 01:23 PM
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True. Here's a question,
Step 1 - Today
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Regionals limited to <40 seats, < 150 nm, < other stuff.
When it comes to Step 2, how do you overcome two things:
A) A Delta management BOD, et.al., who know outsourcing holds down crew costs, and
B) A lifer on the regional side that would sue ALPA if outsourcing was eliminated.
Step 1 - Today
Step 2 - ?
Step 3 - Regionals limited to <40 seats, < 150 nm, < other stuff.
When it comes to Step 2, how do you overcome two things:
A) A Delta management BOD, et.al., who know outsourcing holds down crew costs, and
B) A lifer on the regional side that would sue ALPA if outsourcing was eliminated.
Not trying to start a regional vs mainline pilot skills debate.
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