Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-15-2014, 07:09 PM
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Oh, I get it Bar..
It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.
And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"
Got it..
Look..I know you play the cards you're dealt. And if the RJ guys got a great hand then that's good for them. I just don't buy "poor me" drivel their selling.
It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.
And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"
Got it..
Look..I know you play the cards you're dealt. And if the RJ guys got a great hand then that's good for them. I just don't buy "poor me" drivel their selling.
02-15-2014, 07:21 PM
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Oh, I get it Bar..
It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.
And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"
Got it..
It was our fault we were replaced by RJ pilots and subsequently furloughed. And once we were outsourced, we should have merged the RJ drivers onto our list..since they'd be junior to us..and they were already doing our jobs.
And now that the pilot shortage is here and RJ pilots can take their 8000 hrs of TPIC to the highest bidder or just flow thru to DAL..we should feel guilty for cashing our profit sharing checks "on the backs of RJ pilots"
Got it..
You (and your union leadership) should have stuck to the fundamental principle of a union ... unity.
02-15-2014, 07:26 PM
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... and who negotiated outsourcing? 
The "RJ Pilots" had their careers put on hold, just as you did.
The ASA pilots fought the removal of ALPA's alter ego protections and attempted a merger which would have unified DCI flying with pilots on the Delta list who would have been junior to you. The Delta MEC wanted no part of it.
Both the Delta and the Northwest MECs sold our flying when they traded scope for bargaining credits. Ostensibly the mainline pilots at least got money for the trade.
You, and your friends who like to blame "RJ Pilots" fail to understand who continues to be responsible for the Delta PWA .... Delta pilots.
The "RJ Pilots" had their careers put on hold, just as you did.
The ASA pilots fought the removal of ALPA's alter ego protections and attempted a merger which would have unified DCI flying with pilots on the Delta list who would have been junior to you. The Delta MEC wanted no part of it.
Both the Delta and the Northwest MECs sold our flying when they traded scope for bargaining credits. Ostensibly the mainline pilots at least got money for the trade.
You, and your friends who like to blame "RJ Pilots" fail to understand who continues to be responsible for the Delta PWA .... Delta pilots.
Bar,
So the DAL Pilots who were furloughed while RJ pilots were giddy at upgrading in less than 2 years are "at fault?"
Pilots are individuals, most are probably pretty good guys, both mainline and RJ alike, but you do realize that most furloughed DAL guys were busy trying to make a paycheck and not "negotiating" on outsourcing.
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02-15-2014, 07:41 PM
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Great..got it Bar,
And we were wrong to demonstrate unity and try to improve the pay for Comair pilots when we supported their strike. As a result, we were appropriately punished for our lack of vision and should have expected that the Comair MEC would reject any attempt to help furloughed Delta pilots after 9/11, when it was in fact, our fault all along.
Ygtbsm..
And we were wrong to demonstrate unity and try to improve the pay for Comair pilots when we supported their strike. As a result, we were appropriately punished for our lack of vision and should have expected that the Comair MEC would reject any attempt to help furloughed Delta pilots after 9/11, when it was in fact, our fault all along.
Ygtbsm..
02-15-2014, 07:46 PM
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Not to mention the fact that the bottom of the Delta list that was furloughed after 9/11 were actually regional pilots when the scope was sold and the PID was blocked. So explain to me how we were responsible for that when we weren't even on the property when all that happened?
02-15-2014, 07:53 PM
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If you're not a Delta Air Lines employee, how would you get profit sharing check to begin with?
You wouldn't. So how is a Delta employee earning nice profit sharing checks off the backs of a regional FO if the regional FO isn't an employee of Delta Air Lines?
I mean should I have complained that Continental pilots were getting to fly 777s off my back as a Coex E145 FO?
You wouldn't. So how is a Delta employee earning nice profit sharing checks off the backs of a regional FO if the regional FO isn't an employee of Delta Air Lines?
I mean should I have complained that Continental pilots were getting to fly 777s off my back as a Coex E145 FO?
02-15-2014, 07:58 PM
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Not to mention the fact that the bottom of the Delta list that was furloughed after 9/11 were actually regional pilots when the scope was sold and the PID was blocked. So explain to me how we were responsible for that when we weren't even on the property when all that happened?
02-15-2014, 08:03 PM
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When I lost my MD88 Capt. seat in 1993, and all our short haul, DC9 flying was given to Com Air and ASA, and for the first time in the history of Delta Air Lines, pilots were being furloughed, I called my DALPA Rep. and screamed at him, for a good 45 minutes.
Most of my rant was along the lines of, "W. T. F. are you idiots doing??"
The answer I got, from our leadership, who voted on our contract, without membership ratification, was, "You don't want to fly those little jets, RJ Capt. would pay less than L1011 Engineer, and we can't have a Capt. making less than an Engineer..."
I was now a 757 F/O again (after being displaced by the loss of our DC9's) and I said, "You're right, I don't want to fly a 50 seat RJ, but I'll bet all our FURLOUGHED PILOTS would LOVE to fly it!"
DALPA was very arrogant, but so was JC Lawson. Later, after Delta bought Com Air and ASA, and guys like me were screaming at our MEC to put them all on our list and our contract, because we could see the writing on the wall, our MEC went to talk to their MEC's about single carrier status, and adding them to our list, and our contract.
JC wanted date of hire...
which would have put JC in the left seat of a 767ER.So who was the greedy prick keeping the RJ Pilot's down?
End of story.
I hope he's happy now....douche bag that he is.
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02-15-2014, 08:22 PM
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Great..got it Bar,
And we were wrong to demonstrate unity and try to improve the pay for Comair pilots when we supported their strike. As a result, we were appropriately punished for our lack of vision and should have expected that the Comair MEC would reject any attempt to help furloughed Delta pilots after 9/11, when it was in fact, our fault all along.
Ygtbsm..
And we were wrong to demonstrate unity and try to improve the pay for Comair pilots when we supported their strike. As a result, we were appropriately punished for our lack of vision and should have expected that the Comair MEC would reject any attempt to help furloughed Delta pilots after 9/11, when it was in fact, our fault all along.
Ygtbsm..
Strategically, once we failed unity; we lost.
02-15-2014, 08:29 PM
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Bar, I understand where you are coming from, but "We" didn't even have membership ratification until our 1996 contract. The RJ's started showing up in 1991-2. There was no scope protection in our contract at that time for a 36 or 50 seat jet owned and operated by Com Air or ASA.
When I lost my MD88 Capt. seat in 1993, and all our short haul, DC9 flying was given to Com Air and ASA, and for the first time in the history of Delta Air Lines, pilots were being furloughed, I called my DALPA Rep. and screamed at him, for a good 45 minutes.
Most of my rant was along the lines of, "W. T. F. are you idiots doing??"
The answer I got, from our leadership, who voted on our contract, without membership ratification, was, "You don't want to fly those little jets, RJ Capt. would pay less than L1011 Engineer, and we can't have a Capt. making less than an Engineer..."
I was now a 757 F/O again (after being displaced by the loss of our DC9's) and I said, "You're right, I don't want to fly a 50 seat RJ, but I'll bet all our FURLOUGHED PILOTS would LOVE to fly it!"
DALPA was very arrogant, but so was JC Lawson. Later, after Delta bought Com Air and ASA, and guys like me were screaming at our MEC to put them all on our list and our contract, our MEC went to talk to their MEC's about single carrier status, and adding them to our list, and our contract.
JC wanted date of hire... which would have put JC in the left seat of a 767ER.
End of story.
I hope he's happy now....douche bag that he is.
When I lost my MD88 Capt. seat in 1993, and all our short haul, DC9 flying was given to Com Air and ASA, and for the first time in the history of Delta Air Lines, pilots were being furloughed, I called my DALPA Rep. and screamed at him, for a good 45 minutes.
Most of my rant was along the lines of, "W. T. F. are you idiots doing??"
The answer I got, from our leadership, who voted on our contract, without membership ratification, was, "You don't want to fly those little jets, RJ Capt. would pay less than L1011 Engineer, and we can't have a Capt. making less than an Engineer..."
I was now a 757 F/O again (after being displaced by the loss of our DC9's) and I said, "You're right, I don't want to fly a 50 seat RJ, but I'll bet all our FURLOUGHED PILOTS would LOVE to fly it!"
DALPA was very arrogant, but so was JC Lawson. Later, after Delta bought Com Air and ASA, and guys like me were screaming at our MEC to put them all on our list and our contract, our MEC went to talk to their MEC's about single carrier status, and adding them to our list, and our contract.
JC wanted date of hire...
which would have put JC in the left seat of a 767ER.End of story.
I hope he's happy now....douche bag that he is.
You were right. As for mergers, by pay check or equipment, JC's status quo was a staple. Now he is on the street, along with Captain Ford and others. They should have been "grateful for a staple," but they were reading merger policy list a sequential checklist without understanding the politics.
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