Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-15-2014, 01:56 PM
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For the record, deliveries aren't sliding. We are on schedule and will take delivery of 4 a/c per month. We will have all 88 aircraft by mid 2015 v end of 2015. Rehabs at VQQ and IND are going well. Many of the early issues are resolved and they're pumping them out in about 45 days.
02-15-2014, 02:44 PM
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02-15-2014, 03:52 PM
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There is no need for that remark. I expect better from an O-5 in the USAF.
I'm not discounting the tragedy at all; nor am I addressing it. This is a discussion about FAR117.
please answer this question:
Would we have FAR117 if the guy performed a traffic pattern stall recovery?
Yes or no.
I'm not discounting the tragedy at all; nor am I addressing it. This is a discussion about FAR117.
please answer this question:
Would we have FAR117 if the guy performed a traffic pattern stall recovery?
Yes or no.
)Secondly, you don't know anything about my military career(history). It discredits your post when you make assumptions to the fact.
Thirdly, although my comment - the only one you quoted - might've been slightly 'over the top', you WERE diminishing (discounting) the tragedy AND addressing the accident by referring to the fact that it was "all because the Captain was unable to perform a stall recovery." With that being said, my personal attack was not called for either.
Lastly, the answer to your question. "YES," we would still have FAR117, whether or not the accident (Colgan 3407) had happened like it did. Do you remember what happened a only one month prior to the Colgan accident? Do an internet research of Airbus landing in the Hudson river, in January 2009. (Ring a bell?)
Almost immediately after the accident of US Air 1549, Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger started his work as an advocate for pilots and the safety of the profession. Shortly thereafter, the fatal results of the Colgan flight only helped to propel his cause that much further.
Would we have had FAR 117, effective Jan. 2014? Maybe not, but it was an eventuality, especially with the shortage coming to the regionals now. (One might even argue that FAR 117 has helped the profession, by not allowing operations like Great Lakes, Republic, etc. to hire the "250 wonders.")
So, by your "OVERSIMPLIFICATION" of the accident, you succeeded once again, to take a one-line attack ad on the tragedy. Have Slowplay and Sailingfun not given you enough material to attack them lately?
Good eve,
GJ
02-15-2014, 03:53 PM
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This Hoser watched it! Tremendous win. USA plays tomorrow morning, again at 7:00 Eastern against Slovenia.
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02-15-2014, 03:58 PM
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[QUOTE=Timbo;1582447]Go to Vegas and...
make it RAIN!!
And for you hosers who missed the RUS-USA hockey game live this morning, NBC is going to replay it tonight at 8 Eastern.[/QUOTE
enjoy it,, I made 28k less this year. We got a 190$ bonus
make it RAIN!!
And for you hosers who missed the RUS-USA hockey game live this morning, NBC is going to replay it tonight at 8 Eastern.[/QUOTE
enjoy it,, I made 28k less this year. We got a 190$ bonus
02-15-2014, 04:18 PM
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02-15-2014, 04:34 PM
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Why does reserve go senior? I know. You now can have someone else do the trips you used to have to do. This way you can take a month off and get paid more while guys junior to you fly in your place especially with large buckets and above ALV flying. And if you get a trip throw a fit, because you're supposed to have a month off.
02-15-2014, 05:32 PM
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Junglebus..I'm getting the vibe that you're a champion of the "RJ pilots got screwed" and that mainline pilots are enjoying their profit sharing checks "on the backs of poor RJ pilots". As one of the former 1310 DAL furloughees, let me offer a different perspective;
RJ Captains didn't have any problems upgrading in a few years and logging a decades worth of TPIC on the backs of mainline furloughees.
RJ Captains at Comair didn't have any problems cashing Strike Assesment checks as mainline pilots honored their struck work out of CVG and tried to reduce the pay gap by making Comair pilots the highest paid RJ Captains in the industry.
RJ Captains didn't have any problem refusing to allow furloughed mainline pilots to get hired in the RIGHT seat at Comair in exchange of preferred interviews at DAL unless the lists were merged and all scope provisions were eliminated.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem supporting the RJDC to sue mainline ALPA.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem flying to the 121 max for the lowest bidder as long as they got to fly new, bigger turbine aircraft on routes that used to be flown by mainline 737, 727, M88, DC9 pilots.
Rj Captains didn't have any problem flying legacy passengers hub to hub, laying over in FCA, MSO, JAC and then non-revving with their families in first class to Paris while they made an average of $100k a year.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem using their thousands of hours of PIC to shop around for a SWA/JBLU/Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Suncountry/ect. job but then enjoy a flow-thru agreement to DAL and get a class date just weeks after our final furloughees get back to the line after a decade without their ID badge.
Sorry Junglebus. You just got hired at Delta, right? You better save the "on the backs of RJ pilots" for APC..'cause it ain't gonna fly when you're talking smack around 15 yr FO's who are still waiting for a chance to move to the left seat.
Here's what I've been doing while you've been an RJ Captain;
DFW 727C, SLC 727B, SLC 73NB..9/11..DFW M90B, CVG M88B, Furlough...Recall, ATL 737B, SLC 737B, SLC M90B, merger..SLC 320B.
Sorry you had it so rough. The pilot shortage and 1500 hr rule are gonna be huge windfalls for any RJ Captain hired on the front of the wave. You won the lottery, but you still want to ***** about having to buy a ticket.
RJ Captains didn't have any problems upgrading in a few years and logging a decades worth of TPIC on the backs of mainline furloughees.
RJ Captains at Comair didn't have any problems cashing Strike Assesment checks as mainline pilots honored their struck work out of CVG and tried to reduce the pay gap by making Comair pilots the highest paid RJ Captains in the industry.
RJ Captains didn't have any problem refusing to allow furloughed mainline pilots to get hired in the RIGHT seat at Comair in exchange of preferred interviews at DAL unless the lists were merged and all scope provisions were eliminated.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem supporting the RJDC to sue mainline ALPA.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem flying to the 121 max for the lowest bidder as long as they got to fly new, bigger turbine aircraft on routes that used to be flown by mainline 737, 727, M88, DC9 pilots.
Rj Captains didn't have any problem flying legacy passengers hub to hub, laying over in FCA, MSO, JAC and then non-revving with their families in first class to Paris while they made an average of $100k a year.
RJ Captains didn't have a problem using their thousands of hours of PIC to shop around for a SWA/JBLU/Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Suncountry/ect. job but then enjoy a flow-thru agreement to DAL and get a class date just weeks after our final furloughees get back to the line after a decade without their ID badge.
Sorry Junglebus. You just got hired at Delta, right? You better save the "on the backs of RJ pilots" for APC..'cause it ain't gonna fly when you're talking smack around 15 yr FO's who are still waiting for a chance to move to the left seat.
Here's what I've been doing while you've been an RJ Captain;
DFW 727C, SLC 727B, SLC 73NB..9/11..DFW M90B, CVG M88B, Furlough...Recall, ATL 737B, SLC 737B, SLC M90B, merger..SLC 320B.
Sorry you had it so rough. The pilot shortage and 1500 hr rule are gonna be huge windfalls for any RJ Captain hired on the front of the wave. You won the lottery, but you still want to ***** about having to buy a ticket.
The "RJ Pilots" had their careers put on hold, just as you did.
The ASA pilots fought the removal of ALPA's alter ego protections and attempted a merger which would have unified DCI flying with pilots on the Delta list who would have been junior to you. The Delta MEC wanted no part of it.
Both the Delta and the Northwest MECs sold our flying when they traded scope for bargaining credits. Ostensibly the mainline pilots at least got money for the trade.
You, and your friends who like to blame "RJ Pilots" fail to understand who continues to be responsible for the Delta PWA .... Delta pilots.
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02-15-2014, 05:36 PM
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Why does reserve go senior? I know. You now can have someone else do the trips you used to have to do. This way you can take a month off and get paid more while guys junior to you fly in your place especially with large buckets and above ALV flying. And if you get a trip throw a fit, because you're supposed to have a month off.
. To bad FtB isn't/wasn't our communication chair. How much more fun would that have been instead of buzzard, or duke, or hazard, or whatever his name is.
02-15-2014, 06:00 PM
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DALPA ACC. Pronounced, DALPA ASS. Because that's what everyone will call me.
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