Purple Drank

There is no need for that remark. I expect better from an O-5 in the USAF.

I'm not discounting the tragedy at all; nor am I addressing it. This is a discussion about FAR117.

please answer this question:

Would we have FAR117 if the guy performed a traffic pattern stall recovery?

Yes or no.

Timbo

Yes, and yes, and btw, there are no caps on swaps, so the guys who have one and two day trips will be swapping for 3 and 4 day trips, and their 1+2 day trips will be w/s by others. The company will have no trouble covering what's left.

On the 'parking' thing, no, that's not parking. Parking is when you put one of your exiting trips onto your buddies line via the pilot to pilot swap board. You bring your line down in value, so you can then white slip something from the pot. After you do that, you get your old trip back from you buddy.

That has been fixed, in that your 'parked' trip cannot come directly back to you from your buddy. He has to drop it into open time, and you have to white slip it, if you want it back.

gloopy

It was DL and AT (by hiring/outsourcing Ryan's 320's until they could get their own 737's) that double tag teamed JB and whooped their tails. That was one of the very, very few examples of DL putting up a fight against the endless growth mode capacity dumpers back then.

So JB was faced with duking it out in ATL against not one but two airlines that planted their flags with the intent on fighting to the bitter end no matter what. JB pulled out, and reallocated those AC (and many, many, many others) to accepting DL's (as well as AA and US) gift of a free terminal and instant critical mass in BOS that allowed them go from nothing to the biggest airline in BOS history practically overnight. They are now using that base as a safe haven to launch offensives into any existing market they choose still thinking no one can or will do anything about it.

They will soon (later this year and 2015) be in for a rude awakening.

gloopy

What was the learning objective mandate for that though?

Was it push down, lose altitude and recover, or was it the idiotic "hold altitude +/- 100 feet" fake PTS nonsense, toxic negative training group think that was prevalent at the time in the sims?

gloopy

I think you're making it harder than it needs to be.


that's what she said


If the staffing is there on the first request it processes, it should aproove it and be done. Even though you're not picky, look at the staffing grid and find some fat days and put in two or three preferences and you'll probably get your first one anyway.

TeddyKGB

All March trips will continue to show up in open time until schedules are finalized into DBMS. March trips aren't pulled from open time until you March schedule shows up in Icrew.

forgot to bid

Quote:

Originally Posted by gloopy

What was the learning objective mandate for that though?

Was it push down, lose altitude and recover, or was it the idiotic "hold altitude +/- 100 feet" fake PTS nonsense, toxic negative training group think that was prevalent at the time in the sims?

Fake PTS nonsense, although it was showing your scan could control an aircraft decelerating and accelerating. I think eventually we stopped going to the shaker.

BTW, here was a portion of the PPT presentation from the NTSB on Colgan:

• Air carrier pilots trained on "approach to stall," requiring recovery with minimal altitude loss,
• Altitude loss standards not appropriate for full developed stall
• Positive nose-down control force necessary once actual wing aerodynamic stall occurs.

Not bright, it's what we did. Now if they want to stalls at FAF, that probably is not a bad idea. Colgan wasn't the first to get themselves into that situation.



Also this is from that same PPT presentation:

• Colgan included NASA-produced video on tailplane stalls during training,
• Tailplane procedure opposite of wing stall recovery procedure,
• Bombardier: Q400 demonstrated to be free from taliplane stalls,
• FAA: no current Part 121 airplanes susceptible to tailplane stalls.

Now for those who have never seen it I've fast forwarded to a portion of that NTSB video (starts 20 min in) that would probably be the most memorable behind the cockpit video of the DHC-6 tailplane stall recovery...


NASA Tailplane Icing Video Glenn Research Center - YouTube


sure its out of context but if all you remember is stall, pull back, retract flaps... i believe its negative training.

Going2Baja

Duh....Thanks. It was a long night.

Baja.

Timbo

You'll find the actual open time at the bottom of your Wide Report on the PBS awards page, below all the reserve awards.

sailingfun

Jim is actually a very reasonable guy to deal with unlike a few in CS.