Purple Drank

I think that about covers it.

However, not even the most expensive negotiators on the planet can help us if we're not willing/able to send back a rushed, shortsighted, POS.

shiznit

Yeah, I'm just sayin' 62.7% agree with you. Oh wait....

Nobody is saying it's enough and we should go away quietly! We made solid gains and broke a huge logjam in the industry, and did it with a short term deal that let's us open up right after momma DAL has back-to-back $3.4B+ PTIX years and the rest of the industry isn't lagging us by hundreds and hundreds of millions already! It's right in the wheelhouse to make very big improvements easily justifiable to the NMB (you know, that Govt entity that controls if we are released to strike?!?!)

Purple Drank

you mean "agreed." past tense.

I wonder how many "agree" now that increased medical premiums/out of pocket expenses have eaten up whatever was left of that 3% raise after COLA increases.

4-8-3-3 was an embarrassment, plain and simple.

tsquare

Classic. You have zero proof that a "professional negotiator" would bring us a better product. All you have is hopey changey (what a grrrrreat philosophy THAT is). The premise that our negotiators had a "weekend crash course" is a flawed one and really is pathetic, but it goes to the mindset that you believe Heiko and the others went in there totally alone, uninformed and completely clueless. I would rather have our guys in there (with all the resources that the national union brings with them) than some hired gun that has no skin in the game, and is just there until the money runs out.

I'm guessing that if we did have "professionals" in there, and they brought us a crappy product that you and PD would be the first in line to crucify dALPA for wasting our dues money. The hypocrisy is palpable in this discussion.

tsquare

Not to me. A 25% stock market gain and good investments made me a boatload of money. Life is pretty good and getting better every day.

"Get busy living, or get busy dying". - Red
"Get busy living, or just keep on crying." - tsquare

TheManager

We don't need professionals involved in the negotiations.

What we need is professionals to proof what we are negotiating and offer changes and fixes to language prior to putting it all together in a TA.

To often, we get a TA that has glaring deficiencies in language that always seems to not benefit pilots.

Purple Drank

We should make it up in the stock market? That's your answer for a crap contract?

TheManager

How many years you do you have left?

hoserpilot

Place was packed with kids. 4 year old will love it! 7 year old will beg for Legos on the way home. Plan a trip to the toy store too.

finis72

I went to a roadshow and my memory is different from yours. I think a lot of people were thrown off by the fact that we needed to hire for the 717 but that with the delivery schedule as published it was going to take awhile before bodies were needed. SD with his statement that we could start the hiring process as early as 4th qtr 2012 also raised false hopes. I've been around long enough to know that a statement like that means nothing. Starting the hiring process could have started 1st qtr 2013 when they hired Cal to be the head of pilot hiring, that's the first step in the hiring process right ?
I have no problem with the no voters on 2012, they looked at the TA and deemed it wasn't worthy. I have a little problem with yes voters who say they were duped, either they are simpletons or they didn't do there homework, both of which are scary traits in a pilot. Buyers remorse is ok, it's easy to look back and say we should have done better.