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02-04-2014, 05:23 AM
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If you look through Section 12 Hours of Service in the PWA, you see numerous mentions of flight and duty time limits for augmented crews on an ocean crossing segment, but no such mention for other flight segments. (An exception is made for military charter operations that exceed the 12 D. 1. duty table.) This is due to the fact that there was no intent, ergo no agreement, to augment a crew on other than an ocean crossing segment when these portions of the PWA were negotiated. It would therefore require a negotiated agreement to allow such augmentation in the future.
It would not surprise me to see an agreement along these lines come out of the current negotiations with respect to FAR 117.
02-04-2014, 05:26 AM
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02-04-2014, 05:37 AM
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As I understand it, ALPA respectfully disagrees. The Company has long sought to augment Caribbean flights so as to avoid having to use four pilots. ALPA has consistently refused to enter into a CROT for an appropriate rest seat, saying that the PWA allows augmentation only on an ocean crossing segment.
If you look through Section 12 Hours of Service in the PWA, you see numerous mentions of flight and duty time limits for augmented crews on an ocean crossing segment, but no such mention for other flight segments. (An exception is made for military charter operations that exceed the 12 D. 1. duty table.) This is due to the fact that there was no intent, ergo no agreement, to augment a crew on other than an ocean crossing segment when these portions of the PWA were negotiated. It would therefore require a negotiated agreement to allow such augmentation in the future.
It would not surprise me to see an agreement along these lines come out of the current negotiations with respect to FAR 117.
If you look through Section 12 Hours of Service in the PWA, you see numerous mentions of flight and duty time limits for augmented crews on an ocean crossing segment, but no such mention for other flight segments. (An exception is made for military charter operations that exceed the 12 D. 1. duty table.) This is due to the fact that there was no intent, ergo no agreement, to augment a crew on other than an ocean crossing segment when these portions of the PWA were negotiated. It would therefore require a negotiated agreement to allow such augmentation in the future.
It would not surprise me to see an agreement along these lines come out of the current negotiations with respect to FAR 117.
02-04-2014, 05:37 AM
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[QUOTE=GogglesPisano;1573778]I'll give you 10 bitcoins* to cut-and-paste that onto an FCR. Do it!
Probably not a good idea without some editing to submit this as a FCR. Definently not a good idea to post on a public forum.
Probably not a good idea without some editing to submit this as a FCR. Definently not a good idea to post on a public forum.
02-04-2014, 05:38 AM
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At Northwest, we used to do augmented Caribbean turns on the 320. It was better for the pilots flying than deadheading down and flying back as tou spent your time not flying in a first class seat with a crew meal. It was more efficient for the company because they only had to pay 3 pilots instead of 4. I would not recommend going back to that though. We've already given up enough jobs.
02-04-2014, 05:46 AM
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Hey question...
Trying to avoid a trip to airport on my day off. Anyone else have any suggestions for picking up new id's?
Trying to get it transferred to another base so that I can pick it up on one of my turns. My problem is I'm never through base when chief pilots office is open. Just wondering what others have done in the past.
Trying to avoid a trip to airport on my day off. Anyone else have any suggestions for picking up new id's?
Trying to get it transferred to another base so that I can pick it up on one of my turns. My problem is I'm never through base when chief pilots office is open. Just wondering what others have done in the past.
02-04-2014, 06:00 AM
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At Northwest, we used to do augmented Caribbean turns on the 320. It was better for the pilots flying than deadheading down and flying back as tou spent your time not flying in a first class seat with a crew meal. It was more efficient for the company because they only had to pay 3 pilots instead of 4. I would not recommend going back to that though. We've already given up enough jobs.
02-04-2014, 06:19 AM
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02-04-2014, 07:08 AM
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02-04-2014, 07:35 AM
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