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01-28-2014, 11:09 AM
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Yeahbut...on the way over, if it's scheduled under 8, you don't need a relief pilot, so why the discussion on how long his break is going to be? If I were him, I'd be in F/C sipping something strong, watching a movie. Why doesn't the company just schedule him as a DH on that leg?
01-28-2014, 11:09 AM
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01-28-2014, 11:14 AM
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01-28-2014, 11:24 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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01-28-2014, 11:27 AM
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With 117 coming online Delta has increased 3 man ops contrary to the wild forum speculation. As a example Jfk to Dub is now a 3 man trip. The duty day is two short with a 2 man crew to cover delays.
01-28-2014, 11:28 AM
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OK, seems like we're struggling with why the third guy is there, and whether he has to be there. At a minimum, he's there because the contract says so, and I think we want to be in the business of enforcing the contract.
Regardless of the reason, you've got three guys. You want to use the third guy? He needs to be rested, because he's liable. If you want to go the other way, like CAL used to, then let's put the relief in the cabin, with a Scotch in hand, for the outbound leg to Europe.
Regardless of the reason, you've got three guys. You want to use the third guy? He needs to be rested, because he's liable. If you want to go the other way, like CAL used to, then let's put the relief in the cabin, with a Scotch in hand, for the outbound leg to Europe.
01-28-2014, 11:29 AM
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When I was on the -er, the mid galley was the source of all the plate rattling and then the cart wielding ranchers who worked on their ability to hip-check the rest area curtain. Rest only happened on 2nd break. (not based on science, but experience)
01-28-2014, 11:31 AM
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But, hey, let's not over-hypotheticalize this this thing: here is an actual NYC trip. It's yours, and it's going exactly on schedule today. Can we agree :30 is normal for taxi out, :10 for taxi-in? How do you split up the breaks, under 117?
NYC BASE 7ER PILOT PAIRINGS
#A609 SA EFFECTIVE FEB. 01 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 17.35
POS - A,B SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. TURN BLK/MAX FDP/MAX PWA DTY/MAX
A 270 EWR 1905 CDG 0835 7.30 7ER M 9.00/14.00 9.30/14.00
CDG 27.00/WILL ADVISE 7.30/13.00 .00CRD 7.30TL
C 271 CDG 1335 EWR 1610 8.35 M 10.05/14.30 10.35/14.00
8.35/13.00 .00CRD 8.35TL
.00TRP .00DPA .00ADG
TOTALS---16.05TL 16.05BL .00CR 19.05FDP TAFB 47.05
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NYC BASE 7ER PILOT PAIRINGS
#A609 SA EFFECTIVE FEB. 01 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 17.35
POS - A,B SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. TURN BLK/MAX FDP/MAX PWA DTY/MAX
A 270 EWR 1905 CDG 0835 7.30 7ER M 9.00/14.00 9.30/14.00
CDG 27.00/WILL ADVISE 7.30/13.00 .00CRD 7.30TL
C 271 CDG 1335 EWR 1610 8.35 M 10.05/14.30 10.35/14.00
8.35/13.00 .00CRD 8.35TL
.00TRP .00DPA .00ADG
TOTALS---16.05TL 16.05BL .00CR 19.05FDP TAFB 47.05
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01-28-2014, 11:42 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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OK, seems like we're struggling with why the third guy is there, and whether he has to be there. At a minimum, he's there because the contract says so, and I think we want to be in the business of enforcing the contract.
Regardless of the reason, you've got three guys. You want to use the third guy? He needs to be rested, because he's liable. If you want to go the other way, like CAL used to, then let's put the relief in the cabin, with a Scotch in hand, for the outbound leg to Europe.
Regardless of the reason, you've got three guys. You want to use the third guy? He needs to be rested, because he's liable. If you want to go the other way, like CAL used to, then let's put the relief in the cabin, with a Scotch in hand, for the outbound leg to Europe.
01-28-2014, 11:44 AM
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But, hey, let's not over-hypotheticalize this this thing: here is an actual NYC trip. It's yours, and it's going exactly on schedule today. Can we agree :30 is normal for taxi out, :10 for taxi-in? How do you split up the breaks, under 117?
NYC BASE 7ER PILOT PAIRINGS
#A609 SA EFFECTIVE FEB. 01 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 17.35
POS - A,B SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. TURN BLK/MAX FDP/MAX PWA DTY/MAX
A 270 EWR 1905 CDG 0835 7.30 7ER M 9.00/14.00 9.30/14.00
CDG 27.00/WILL ADVISE 7.30/13.00 .00CRD 7.30TL
C 271 CDG 1335 EWR 1610 8.35 M 10.05/14.30 10.35/14.00
8.35/13.00 .00CRD 8.35TL
.00TRP .00DPA .00ADG
TOTALS---16.05TL 16.05BL .00CR 19.05FDP TAFB 47.05
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NYC BASE 7ER PILOT PAIRINGS
#A609 SA EFFECTIVE FEB. 01 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 17.35
POS - A,B SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. TURN BLK/MAX FDP/MAX PWA DTY/MAX
A 270 EWR 1905 CDG 0835 7.30 7ER M 9.00/14.00 9.30/14.00
CDG 27.00/WILL ADVISE 7.30/13.00 .00CRD 7.30TL
C 271 CDG 1335 EWR 1610 8.35 M 10.05/14.30 10.35/14.00
8.35/13.00 .00CRD 8.35TL
.00TRP .00DPA .00ADG
TOTALS---16.05TL 16.05BL .00CR 19.05FDP TAFB 47.05
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