Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but the up-gauge is a result of the 50 seat RJs being replaced by larger RJ's and 717's.

I would say a reduction of 25% to the largest category in the company and a widebody category at that in a 6 month period will have a very dramatic effect on any progression for years to come.

Yes I new we are retiring 757's but this is the first I have heard of such a huge cut to the 7ER in such a short time.

01-24-2014, 07:42 AM

#147402

RockyBoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

You are taking one number and running wildly with it. The statement was that December flying hours will be 25% less than the peak hours of mid-summer--not that the airline needed 25% fewer pilots in those categories!

I doubt that there are ANY displacements from the 7ER in December, and if there are any, they will be modest.

By December they will need to basically not backfill the amount that they just posted. So basically 50 FO's. They must be fat on captains to not add any for the peak summer flying. With 330 vacancies coming you are probably right that there will be minimal displacements this fall.

01-24-2014, 07:43 AM

#147403

daldude

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuGuy

If you're a dog that's been beaten it's whole life, it's natural for you to cringe when the owner walks in.

Nu

Now that is funny and pretty accurate for 2001 hires still in bottom 15% of after 13 years.

01-24-2014, 07:53 AM

#147404

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

You are correct, I just assumed that they were gently preparing the pilot group for a reduction in the catagory by saying they flying hours would be reduced by 25%. They very well may carry a 25% surplus in the category going forward. (will be excellent for reserve bidders) And they did say they hoped the F/O's would bid to other category's to avoid displacements.

I apologize for running wild. I just immediately speculated that if was the first volley to start managing expectations.

01-24-2014, 07:54 AM

#147405

Bucking Bar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daldude

This is the most disturbing part of AE.

"The 7ER block hours will peak in July and decrease by 25 percent by the time we reach December 2014."

Seasonal adjustment?

01-24-2014, 08:09 AM

#147406

buzzpat

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Originally Posted by daldude

Now that is funny and pretty accurate for 2001 hires still in bottom 15% of after 13 years.

^^^^^^^ Yup!

01-24-2014, 08:13 AM

#147407

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the real person responsible for the A330 at NW was Mickey Foret who was the numbers guy for years there.

Who is another grad of the Frank Lorenzo School of Mgt. I'm having another PTSD flashback of EAL. Was Phil Bakes, Tom Matthews or Don Breeding at NW, too?

GF

01-24-2014, 08:16 AM

#147408

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Interesting about the A350. Under the heading of "you never know if someone knows what they're talking about when they tell you something", but I was told that the Feds were going to see if it was possible for an A330 guy to fly the A350 with just differences training. I asked an A330 check airman if we could be one fleet if we got the A350, and he said no way.

Calling the Iceman........Iceman come in.

Ferd

01-24-2014, 08:29 AM

#147409

Ferd149

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Quote:

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

Who is another grad of the Frank Lorenzo School of Mgt. I'm having another PTSD flashback of EAL. Was Phil Bakes, Tom Matthews or Don Breeding at NW, too?

GF

Didn't know he was a Lorenzo boy....must have been way back.

But for sure.......Foret was Gary Wilson's money man and he is a very very good money man. But I've always wondered if he's still Wilson's boy on Delta's board.....cuz you know Wilson is still around somewhere.

01-24-2014, 09:30 AM

#147410

ilinipilot

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AE
With regards to the AE I think crew planning is just playing offense. THey want guys to volunteer to bid off than get displaced because lets be honest we will have ZERO training capacity to deal with displacements. I am sure we will just stay fat. If you displace one ER CA that could lead to 8 training events and 4 possibly for an FO. if we want to hire north of 600 how can we afford to train for displacements. Not going to happen