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Old 09-17-2009, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
South guys or anyone else who may know,

I have an AE question. Let's say I bid to change bases, but stay on the same airplane. (DTW DC-9 to MSP DC-9). When should I expect to start flying out of the new base? Right away? Or, sometime during the conversion process (??? I think that's what it's called. ???).

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It depends. Is it an AE or a VD or an MD?

They will convert VD's prior to MD's.

For example the pilots that VDed in this last bid are converting in Nov-Jan. (most of them) MD's are right after them.
The more senior you are of those who are awarded, the sooner you will go to training on an AE or a VD but later if it is a MD.
When I AE I generally go about three months in to the window.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:34 AM
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What ACL said.

AE's go first - in seniority order. Then it's VD's in seniority order. Then it's MD's in reverse seniority order. Since you do not require training, if you are awarded an AE bid, then I would expect to be in the new base pretty quickly.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:46 AM
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New K,

As you know, all conversions are done in seniority order for AE and VD. Reverse seniority order for MD's. If you are one of the senior bidders for either AE or VD you will probably be converted in the first month, maybe second especially if you are already trained in the aircraft and it's just a base change.

As ACL said, AE's and VD's will most definately be converted prior to any MD's. Good Luck! If you haven't already, check your PM's.

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Dooooh!!! I see all have already said what I did!!!

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Old 09-17-2009, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
What ACL said.

AE's go first - in seniority order. Then it's VD's in seniority order. Then it's MD's in reverse seniority order. Since you do not require training, if you are awarded an AE bid, then I would expect to be in the new base pretty quickly.
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It depends. Is it an AE or a VD or an MD?

They will convert VD's prior to MD's.

For example the pilots that VDed in this last bid are converting in Nov-Jan. (most of them) MD's are right after them.
The more senior you are of those who are awarded, the sooner you will go to training on an AE or a VD but later if it is a MD.
When I AE I generally go about three months in to the window.
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New K,

As you know, all conversions are done in seniority order for AE and VD. Reverse seniority order for MD's. If you are one of the senior bidders for either AE or VD you will probably be converted in the first month, maybe second especially if you are already trained in the aircraft and it's just a base change.

As ACL said, AE's and VD's will most definately be converted prior to any MD's. Good Luck! If you haven't already, check your PM's.

Denny

Dooooh!!! I see all have already said what I did!!!

Thanks gentlemen. I'll get the hang of this before I retire (I hope).
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Thanks gentlemen. I'll get the hang of this before I retire (I hope).
Nope, not going to happen.

The system promotes conservative bidding!
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
ACL What is the possibility that we could lose out on both JAL and the AA JFK terminal deals?
I think there is a very good chance that we will lose out. Maybe we'll actually fly some of our own routes and not code share!

AMR RAISES $2.9B

American Airlines parent AMR raises $2.9 billion: Thomson Reuters Business News: AMR - MSN Money
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
I think there is a very good chance that we will lose out. Maybe we'll actually fly some of our own routes and not code share!

AMR RAISES $2.9B

American Airlines parent AMR raises $2.9 billion: Thomson Reuters Business News: AMR - MSN Money
You ever think that, that would be a good thing. We just want access to Haneda. If we can get that without the capital expenditure, so much the better.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You ever think that, that would be a good thing. We just want access to Haneda. If we can get that without the capital expenditure, so much the better.
That's the tough part. They aren't wanting to give any US Airline access to Haneda.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
I think there is a very good chance that we will lose out. Maybe we'll actually fly some of our own routes and not code share!

AMR RAISES $2.9B

American Airlines parent AMR raises $2.9 billion: Thomson Reuters Business News: AMR - MSN Money
Part of acquiring NWA was to gain access to better financing options through the MN banking sector if and when DAL needs it. AMR just took a loan at horrible interest rates to secure that liquidity. If DAL wants to move on fleet renewal, now is the time to do it.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Part of acquiring NWA was to gain access to better financing options through the MN banking sector if and when DAL needs it. AMR just took a loan at horrible interest rates to secure that liquidity. If DAL wants to move on fleet renewal, now is the time to do it.
I haven't been able to find the rates/details on AMR's new debt. Can you you post the link?

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