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Old 09-16-2009, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
From what I have heard from a higher up at ALPA is 9 hours of hard fly but a shorter duty day. That is all and well for daytime domestic but he thinks it will carry over to the Europe augmented flying also. Not good. We lose the augment to Europe on dang near every flight. Besides the safety aspect of flying all night and not gettine a break, we lose higher paying wide body jobs to make the regionals safer. Way to go ALPA.
I think you should wait until the full report comes out, before passing judgment. I am pretty sure that they did not touch the augmentation rules. This is a complicated subject it is best to wait to read the whole thing rather than rely on snippets of data from people who have only snippets of data. Or you could just take your shots based on rumor. I know a guy who did a lot of the work for the committee, I talked with him for over an hour, and I still didn't get the whole story. It is quite detailed, but I think most pilots will see the improvements in the new rules. They are based on science and not economics.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:23 AM
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Ferd,

Check your PM's.

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Old 09-16-2009, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Ferd,

Check your PM's.

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Denny,

Ahhhh, Ferd is just a tad bit senior to me and that one month advantage adds up. So, if you are giving him AE bidding gouge, I respectfully request some gouge as well (with a "round of drinks when we meet" card in an extended hand.)

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Old 09-16-2009, 10:32 AM
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NewK,

I'll send you a PM too!!

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Old 09-16-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Easiest way to get rid of the annoying message is to go do the 23 or so slides. Not sure what it will be for you, but for the South guys, it took 10 mins.

Then wallah message gone.
Directly from my nasty gram:

"The course requires about 75 minutes to complete"
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:55 AM
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Ferd, NewK, and anyone else who cares to read,

The best advice I ever got about AE/MD bidding was in my first week after I got hired. "Bid what you want, want what you bid!"

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Old 09-16-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234
Directly from my nasty gram:

"The course requires about 75 minutes to complete"
I know what it says, it has never taken that long, so that is why I was asking.
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I know what it says, it has never taken that long, so that is why I was asking.
The phase 3 training took as long as advertised for the DAL N pilots. Too much rah, rah crap in that one. Hope this is different, if it's gonna take up that much time at least I'd like to learn something from it.
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I think it was over 60 slides for the North side. Does that mean that you guys learn 3X faster than us?
The trick is to do a few slides, then go back to the begining and use the search function to get to slide 60. Then you can exit it and get credit for completing it.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:22 PM
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This came from the Alpa EVP level. Maybe he is misinformed. I hope y'all are correct. Just passing along what I was told.


Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I think you should wait until the full report comes out, before passing judgment. I am pretty sure that they did not touch the augmentation rules. This is a complicated subject it is best to wait to read the whole thing rather than rely on snippets of data from people who have only snippets of data. Or you could just take your shots based on rumor. I know a guy who did a lot of the work for the committee, I talked with him for over an hour, and I still didn't get the whole story. It is quite detailed, but I think most pilots will see the improvements in the new rules. They are based on science and not economics.
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