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Old 01-15-2014, 08:49 AM
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Can someone tell me if I can check in and pay taxes in for an international jumpseat at the gate in DTW or must I go to the ticket counter? Thanks
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:10 AM
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From the FAA:

"Definition of Sleep Opportunity

APA asked the FAA to define ‘‘uninterrupted sleep opportunity.'' APA also asked whether the sleep opportunity has to take place at a specific location, such as the flightcrew member's home. Subsection 117.25(e) requires a certificate holder to provide a flightcrew member with 10 hours of rest that includes an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity immediately before the flightcrew member begins a reserve or FDP. Subsection 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if he or she determines that his/her rest period will not provide an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity. A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted. The sleep opportunity does not need to take place at the flightcrew member's home, but it must take place at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably expect to obtain 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. In addition, as the FAA pointed out in the preamble to final rule, specific sleep situations ‘‘are difficult to capture in a regulatory standard.'' That is why § 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if the flightcrew member determines that he or she cannot get the requisite amount of uninterrupted sleep."

Seems pretty clear to me - your time in the room MUST allow an opportunity for 8 hours of SLEEP. The fact that ALPA seems to think that 8 hours behind the door meets the above requirements is sad because, clearly, the FAA does not agree. Perhaps ALPA is getting hung up on this part: "A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted." I suppose this might make it sound like the sleep opportunity starts once you are in your room. BUT, the FAA goes on to clarify with the following statement: "...it must take place at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably expect to obtain 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep." Again - "8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP." Basically, the FAA could care less about "time behind the door" - what they care about is the chance to get 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP. In the end, however, it's that last sentence that is key- if YOU (not Delta, not ALPA, but you) determine that your time in the room does not allow for 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP you MUST call scheduling and have your report time adjusted.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
From the FAA:

"Definition of Sleep Opportunity

APA asked the FAA to define ‘‘uninterrupted sleep opportunity.'' APA also asked whether the sleep opportunity has to take place at a specific location, such as the flightcrew member's home. Subsection 117.25(e) requires a certificate holder to provide a flightcrew member with 10 hours of rest that includes an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity immediately before the flightcrew member begins a reserve or FDP. Subsection 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if he or she determines that his/her rest period will not provide an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity. A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted. The sleep opportunity does not need to take place at the flightcrew member's home, but it must take place at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably expect to obtain 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. In addition, as the FAA pointed out in the preamble to final rule, specific sleep situations ‘‘are difficult to capture in a regulatory standard.'' That is why § 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if the flightcrew member determines that he or she cannot get the requisite amount of uninterrupted sleep."

Seems pretty clear to me - your time in the room MUST allow an opportunity for 8 hours of SLEEP. The fact that ALPA seems to think that 8 hours behind the door meets the above requirements is sad because, clearly, the FAA does not agree. Perhaps ALPA is getting hung up on this part: "A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted." I suppose this might make it sound like the sleep opportunity starts once you are in your room. BUT, the FAA goes on to clarify with the following statement: "...it must take place at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably expect to obtain 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep." Again - "8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP." Basically, the FAA could care less about "time behind the door" - what they care about is the chance to get 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP. In the end, however, it's that last sentence that is key- if YOU (not Delta, not ALPA, but you) determine that your time in the room does not allow for 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP you MUST call scheduling and have your report time adjusted.
Exactly. Thank you. I don't know why anyone is having a hard time with this. The wording in the FAR and the FAA's clarification is very straightforward and not open to interpretation. What's particularly troubling is that at least one of our reps and the scheduling committee chairman can't figure this out and are giving out bad information.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I ordered my flightline one the other day. I'll let you guys know when it actually comes.
I just spoke with them this morning on this subject...... Looks like they are planning to start processing them around the middle of February. When I questioned the delay I was told that the 2013 per diem rates haven't been published yet.
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I just spoke with them this morning on this subject...... Looks like they are planning to start processing them around the middle of February. When I questioned the delay I was told that the 2013 per diem rates haven't been published yet.


Now that's a crock of BS! I believe the US General Services Admin. (per diem rates are out for 2014) now sets per diem rates domestically and the State Department does internationally. This from:







Publication 1542, Per Diem Rates

Effective for 2012 and later, the IRS will no longer be updating Publication 1542. Instead, current per diem rates may be found on the Per Diem Rates page at the U.S. General Services Administration (GSA) website.

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Old 01-15-2014, 09:52 AM
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still no B lines published for Feb... What the heck??
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
still no B lines published for Feb... What the heck??
They would run a whole lot faster if all you F/O's would stop bidding:

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Old 01-15-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
still no B lines published for Feb... What the heck??
I just backdoored my B, back to a block holder next month!

...and I'm loving the company getting over optimistic on flying us close to 9 hours. I just got my second green slip with both of them due to the 9 hour rule. Them trying to save a few bucks doing that has paid me 2500 dollars over guarantee this month already!
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I just spoke with them this morning on this subject...... Looks like they are planning to start processing them around the middle of February. When I questioned the delay I was told that the 2013 per diem rates haven't been published yet.
Ah, nothing promotes customer confidence like outright lying to them. Did you have a response?

Also, I hope no one on here is actually listening to sailingfun in regards to the 8 hour behind the door thing. As usual he's completely wrong... he knows people to talk to but has no clue how to understand or interpret it.
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Old 01-15-2014, 10:16 AM
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B's can be back doored
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