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01-15-2014, 06:38 AM
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Maximum Duty Period for a four leg day beginning during regular daytime hours (7AM-noon) for an unaugmented crew from Table B is 13 hours. Why schedule a 12:57 day with turns of 55 minutes (go through US customs), and two time through Atl with longest turn 40 minutes? Does that sound like you WILL need an extension? Aren't extensions supposed to be for unforeseen, not in the company's control events? The day could go exactly as planned. It could happen.
Maximum Duty Period for a four leg day beginning during regular daytime hours (7AM-noon) for an unaugmented crew from Table B is 13 hours. Why schedule a 12:57 day with turns of 55 minutes (go through US customs), and two time through Atl with longest turn 40 minutes? Does that sound like you WILL need an extension? Aren't extensions supposed to be for unforeseen, not in the company's control events? The day could go exactly as planned. It could happen.
01-15-2014, 06:53 AM
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And that STILL doesn't satisfy the requirement of FAR 117. You didn't allow for time the next morning to get ready. Per the FAR, you need an opportunity for 8 hours of sleep, not 8 hours in the room or 8 hours from laying down in bed. Unless you've found a way to brush your teeth, shower, shave, get dressed, and pack in your sleep, your suggestion still does not work.
Oh, and those two (or is it four?) don't look ready for sleep.
Oh, and those two (or is it four?) don't look ready for sleep.
01-15-2014, 07:06 AM
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01-15-2014, 07:52 AM
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I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.
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01-15-2014, 08:01 AM
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I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.
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01-15-2014, 08:18 AM
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Not accepting the flight would be far more appropriate. They can't plan fantasy taxi times and redline to redline jetstream of the year tailwinds to very clearly try to "get around" the FAR's. And they will be the first ones to throw you under the bus if something happens as a rogue FAR violating pilot that ignored the company's safety first philosophy. ow could any pilot fall for that?
01-15-2014, 08:25 AM
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The question was not what each pilots need for sleep might be. I personally need at least 90 minutes in the room before I ever get to sleep. The question is what is FAR legal. That has been defined by the FAA to be 10 hours off with at least 8 hours in your room. Every pilots actual sleep opportunity is going to be different. You have to decide what is the minimum rest you need to be safe. I have delayed my pickup many times for various reasons. Never had Delta say a word about it. Do what you need to be rested. You are not however going to be charged with a FAR violation if you decide 8 hours in the room is sufficient.
That is insane and indefensible. Period.
01-15-2014, 08:27 AM
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01-15-2014, 08:29 AM
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I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.
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01-15-2014, 08:39 AM
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I probably missed it so I will ask again. Will the company provide us with crew meals on these 8+ hour days, even though we arent going to block more than 5:XX hrs per segment? It seems like it would be efficient if the company provide us with a nice and balanced quality meal to keep us energized and awake. Without negotiating or giving up anything, I would think it would be in the best interest of the company to keep their "machines" fed and nourished.
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