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01-14-2014, 10:32 AM
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Gloopy,
I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.
This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.
Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?
Scoop
I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.
This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.
Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?
Scoop
For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.
01-14-2014, 10:34 AM
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I have. I know one pilot flew 9:35 of block in one day. His last flight was from LAS-DTW. He said they had 170kt planned tailwind. It was actually only 70kts. They were also filed at 250 cost index. He said dispatch also had a 5 minute taxi in on flight plan and a 10 minute taxi out. Everything assumed best case scenario. This pilot said flight panned out exactly as he expected and they went over FAR's by :35.
For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.
For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.
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01-14-2014, 10:35 AM
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01-14-2014, 11:24 AM
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I have. I know one pilot flew 9:35 of block in one day. His last flight was from LAS-DTW. He said they had 170kt planned tailwind. It was actually only 70kts. They were also filed at 250 cost index. He said dispatch also had a 5 minute taxi in on flight plan and a 10 minute taxi out. Everything assumed best case scenario. This pilot said flight panned out exactly as he expected and they went over FAR's by :35.
For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.
For my flight, my LATT was inaccurate. It used our planned flight time (which going to ATL is always short unless it is the middle of the night and you are landing in the right direction VMC) + 10 minutes taxi in. We went way over. Fortunately, we weren't that close to our LATT. It was a bad time though. I am extremely disappointed with how our company is handling the new FAR's. I have a feeling violations are coming our way.
Hockey,
I concur with NU - that merits an ASAP. I was however, specifically referring to the schedulers who have been very timid about 117. Maybe dispatch and crew tracking are taking a more aggressive approach?
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01-14-2014, 11:32 AM
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01-14-2014, 11:54 AM
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[QUOTE=DAL 88 Driver;1558798]
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
01-14-2014, 12:00 PM
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[QUOTE=Razorback one;1558969]
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
Let's say you get in your hotel room at midnight and have a 8 am pickup. What time do you set your alarm? Best case would be 7 hours of sleep opportunity.
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
01-14-2014, 12:01 PM
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[QUOTE=Razorback one;1558969]
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
Because the minute I close the door there is now way to get settled in to a bed in "zero" seconds and certainly no way to shower, get dressed in "zero" seconds in the morning. Best case for normal people, 8 hours behind the door provided 7:15 of sleep opportunity. (15 minutes wind down and 30 minutes to prepare for pick up)
So, 8 hours of sleep opportunity is really more like 8:45 behind the door. That doesn't guarantee you will sleep for 8, but at least you had the opportunity.
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract.
I know that I'm dense so please forgive me. I've followed this and still can't wrap my head around how 8 behind the door is not 8 hours of sleep opportunity. Please explain this to me.
So, 8 hours of sleep opportunity is really more like 8:45 behind the door. That doesn't guarantee you will sleep for 8, but at least you had the opportunity.
01-14-2014, 12:05 PM
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01-14-2014, 12:18 PM
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